Evolution - Speciation finally observed in the wild?

[Aman777]

Then it's not really a free choice if I have to make the decision before I have the reliable information required to make that decision.

No, you are asking for certainty, which you cannot find in Science.

This doesn't answer the question.

You ask me why Jesus is the Judge. He is the physical creator of the most violent creature on Earth, mankind. He has the right to Judge and no one else does.

Did you understand what I asked you? If the chief appears before God or Jesus or whoever you think is going to be doing the judging, what do you think their judgement of the chief would be?

I have NO idea what Jesus will do, BUT it will be Just and based on facts instead of some unbeliever's supposition. Don't you realize that God the Father and the Son have to be perfect, or their physical Heaven cannot be perfect? It's God's secret, and the only way to Heaven.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Have you been perfect?

 

[Aman777]

What has not been observed are large scale changes of the scope as apes to humans, for example. The only kinds I know of are a small scale.

You got it. That is also WHY the false ToE is untrue Scientifically. Facts are repeatable but false assumptions, like the evolution of Human Intelligence, are provably False. Evolutionists falsely teach that Humans evolved from creatures made long AFTER Adam, the first Human, was made. Scientists have confused the sons of God (prehistoric people) with Humans (descendants of Adam), who was made with the superior intelligence of God. Genesis 3:22

 

[the iconoclast]

Your insistence on quibbling over an analogy I posted in OTHER THREADS is not you defeating me. It is you intentionally taking this thread off topic. Grow up.

Spotto quibble. Your quibble tally is 9.

 

[Kylie]

No, you are asking for certainty, which you cannot find in Science.

But there's no tool that gets us closer than science.

You ask me why Jesus is the Judge. He is the physical creator of the most violent creature on Earth, mankind. He has the right to Judge and no one else does.

Please show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus specifically created humans.

I have NO idea what Jesus will do, BUT it will be Just and based on facts instead of some unbeliever's supposition. Don't you realize that God the Father and the Son have to be perfect, or their physical Heaven cannot be perfect? It's God's secret, and the only way to Heaven.

Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Have you been perfect?

Do you think that there's a chance the chief will be allowed into Heaven despite not being a Christian?

(And no, I haven't been perfect. I've done some things that I really regret. But if you think your last remark is going to scare me due to some threat of hell, then you're very mistaken. A punishment that I think of as imaginary is not going to be much of an incentive for me, is it?)

 

[Kylie]

Spotto quibble. Your quibble tally is 9.

Are you able to talk about the topic in THIS thread?

 

[the iconoclast]

Are you able to talk about the topic in THIS thread?

Hey hey kylie.

What would you like to talk about and ill see if im any good?

Cheers

 

[tyke]

What would you like to talk about and ill see if im any good?

How about the fact that speciation has been definitively observed in the wild with regard to the Grant's study on finches in the Galapagos Islands??

 

[Kylie]

Hey hey kylie.

What would you like to talk about and ill see if im any good?

Cheers

Oh my goodness.

Did you even look at what the topic is for this thread? If you want to talk about something in here, that's probably a good start!

Honestly, why did you even ask? Are you incapable of understanding what the thread topic is?

 

[the iconoclast]

Oh my goodness.


Did you even look at what the topic is for this thread?

Hey hey kylie.


Thank you for the concern, no need to worry i did see the topic of conversation ie Evolution - Speciation finally observed in the wild

I even checked out a small part of the discussion. That is when i saw you name and decided to say hello.

If you want to talk about something in here, that's probably a good start!

Well... I would love to and looks like i will.

thank you for the welcome.

Honestly, why did you even ask?

I asked so we could start a conversation.

Tyke threw something at me and then agreed with your comment. I think.... yes. I will engage with him.

Hi tyke!

Are you incapable of understanding what the thread topic is?

Dont worry i have good news for you. Iam quite capable of understanding what the thread topic is. Yah for me.

How bout this ill continue with tyke - since he took it upon himself to be apart of our conversation- and you can join in any time you like.

What say u?

Cheers

 

[the iconoclast]

How about the fact that speciation has been definitively observed in the wild with regard to the Grant's study on finches in the Galapagos Islands??

Hey hey my new and delicious friend. Usually im quite selective with who i chat with but i like you already.

I do remember seeing something like this in the news some time ago but i never really looked into.

So we have two species of finch exchanging their genes or interbreeding and producing a hybrid.

I dont do much science - i like music - why is this observation so important to you?

Im a Creationist and stubborn for Jesus.

So how about the so called 'fact'? What point do you want to make?

Cheers you are a gem

 

[tyke]

You don't make it clear as to whether or not you've looked at the study that the Grants have been conducting for the last ~40 years. If you go to the op and click on the BBC link you will be able to read about this fascinating study and the evidence for speciation.
How does the evidence for evolution affect your beliefs??

 

[tyke]

Oh and its not particularly important to me. I'm not a scientist but I do enjoy reading about evolution, not that my knowledge is very wide on the topic but I am prepared to accept the evidence for said evolution. Are you??

 

[Aman777]

But there's no tool that gets us closer than science.

Sure there is. It is to find the agreement of Science, History and Scripture. I know because NO one here can refute me since I post of that agreement.

Please show me where in the Bible it says that Jesus specifically created humans.

Sure. Gen 2:7 ¶ And the LORD God (Heb-YHWH/Jesus) formed man (Heb-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God is one. Jesus and YHWH are the same God. Isa 43:11

Do you think that there's a chance the chief will be allowed into Heaven despite not being a Christian?

If the chief lived his life and never broke one of God's Commandments.

(And no, I haven't been perfect. I've done some things that I really regret. But if you think your last remark is going to scare me due to some threat of hell, then you're very mistaken. A punishment that I think of as imaginary is not going to be much of an incentive for me, is it?)

I don't scare anyone. Warning you of a certainty is not trying to scare you. God is Love and Satan is the opposite. Those are Satan's tactics.

 

[the iconoclast]

You don't make it clear as to whether or not you've looked at the study that the Grants have been conducting for the last ~40 years. If you go to the op and click on the BBC link you will be able to read about this fascinating study and the evidence for speciation.
How does the evidence for evolution affect your beliefs??

Hey hey tyke

Thank you for the suggestion however I did read the article briefly my friend. 2 finches produced a hybrid.

This does not effect my beliefs in any way as hybrids happen ie liger and mule. I believe the article suggests the hybrid offspring are having trouble reproducing. Sounds like a dead end to me.

Oh and its not particularly important to me. I'm not a scientist but I do enjoy reading about evolution, not that my knowledge is very wide on the topic but I am prepared to accept the evidence for said evolution. Are you??

So this study is not particularly important to you. Why do you feel it is important to me?

What evidence do you speak of?

Cheers

 

[Kylie]

Sure there is. It is to find the agreement of Science, History and Scripture. I know because NO one here can refute me since I post of that agreement.

There are plenty of times when believers have adjusted their beliefs to adapt to new scientific information. Your insistence that scripture must be in agreement therefore seems unnecessary.

Sure. Gen 2:7 ¶ And the LORD God (Heb-YHWH/Jesus) formed man (Heb-Adam) of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

God is one. Jesus and YHWH are the same God. Isa 43:11

So if God and Jesus are the same, then ANYTHING God did can be said to have been done by Jesus.

This whole "They're three different entities, but all the same thing" stuff doesn't actually make sense, y'know.

If A=B=C, then they aren't three different values.

If the chief lived his life and never broke one of God's Commandments.

Don't play games. We both know the answer to this.

The whole "Don't have other gods before me" thing. Unless this chief was an atheist, God's gonna find him guilty and send him to hell, isn't he?

I don't scare anyone. Warning you of a certainty is not trying to scare you. God is Love and Satan is the opposite. Those are Satan's tactics.

However you want to put it.

The fact is that you are trying to warn me of something I consider imaginary. How effective do you think you are going to be?

 

[the iconoclast]

If A=B=C, then they aren't three different values.

Hey hey you

What do you mean by value here. Lets say im D. Whats my value?

Cheers you fun one

God is Love

Hey hey saint. God bless you brother

Do you mind if i join in here?

 

[Kylie]

Hey hey you

What do you mean by value here. Lets say im D. Whats my value?

Cheers you fun one

Once again you don't seem able to grasp the concept of a topic.

I am talking about your concept of a Holy Trinity in which God, Jesus and the holy Ghost are claimed to be three parts of one entity, but also completely separate entities.

Unless you are claiming to be a part of the holy trinity, your value is irrelevant to this topic.

 

[the iconoclast]

Once again you don't seem able to grasp the concept of a topic.

I am talking about your concept of a Holy Trinity in which God, Jesus and the holy Ghost are claimed to be three parts of one entity, but also completely separate entities.

Unless you are claiming to be a part of the holy trinity, your value is irrelevant to this topic.

Hey hey kylie.

Dont be rash! I gathered you were discussing the Trinity.

Kylie - "So if God and Jesus are the same, then ANYTHING God did can be said to have been done by Jesus.

This whole "They're three different entities, but all the same thing" stuff doesn't actually make sense, y'know.

If A=B=C, then they aren't three different values."

Lets try again. How do you apply value to a person?

Cheers

 

[Aman777]

There are plenty of times when believers have adjusted their beliefs to adapt to new scientific information. Your insistence that scripture must be in agreement therefore seems unnecessary.

You miss the point. Genesis chapter one is filled with scientific facts, some of which are just now being discovered. It's testable proof of God.

So if God and Jesus are the same, then ANYTHING God did can be said to have been done by Jesus.

This whole "They're three different entities, but all the same thing" stuff doesn't actually make sense, y'know.

If A=B=C, then they aren't three different values.

If it's physical and requires hands, Jesus is the ONLY God with hands. Jesus is also the ONLY God you will ever see since He is the incarnation of the invisible Spirit of Love, we call God. The invisible Spirit of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are within the physical body of Jesus.

Col 2:9 For in Him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

 

[Kylie]

Hey hey kylie.

Dont be rash! I gathered you were discussing the Trinity.

Kylie - "So if God and Jesus are the same, then ANYTHING God did can be said to have been done by Jesus.

This whole "They're three different entities, but all the same thing" stuff doesn't actually make sense, y'know.

If A=B=C, then they aren't three different values."

Lets try again. How do you apply value to a person?

Cheers

I meant "value" in a mathematical sense, as in what it actually is.

I figured that the whole using algebra as a way to explain it would have been a giveaway.

Now, can us address the issue? If God = Jesus, then anything Jesus can be said to have done, God can be said to have done as well.