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Quite simply if you believe there is a God and that God created everything then that God gets to make the rules! Bit like you get to make the rules for your house (well ok within the limits of the law but hopefully you get the idea)I don't see how a God makes something wrong.
Perhaps tell that to scientists who frequently present their findings as fact."Science" doesn't "believe" anything. I know science and scientists are often presented as a monolithic bloc, but please don't anthropomorphise what is, essentially, just a method.
These statements might be your opinion. Got any justification for them being morally correct? by justification I don't mean because you said so or because a group thinks so.
Quite simply if you believe there is a God and that God created everything then that God gets to make the rules! Bit like you get to make the rules for your house (well ok within the limits of the law but hopefully you get the idea)
They present their findings as what they are - their findings. Again, when a scientist makes a claim, it is the scientist making the claim. It is not science making the claim.Perhaps tell that to scientists who frequently present their findings as fact.
Nope that is just your right because you say so. Sorry but that won't fly. As I said I will not accept the argument that it is right because a group says so. Yet you give that exact response. Clearly not all agree with that view anyway. So why are they wrong? Yes I expect more than because you say so. If you want to argue that if the majority believe something it is right then please think again because the majority have often been wrong.Because that is what "morally correct" amounts to. It is the degree to which we behave in a manner that is approved by our society as a whole. There are more specific elements, but that is the guiding principle.
Well if that was the whole story then I would agree but that is getting off topic to explore that further.Which is all about obedience but has little to do with morality.
Nope that is just your right because you say so. Sorry but that won't fly. As I said I will not accept the argument that it is right because a group says so.
Yet you give that exact response. Clearly not all agree with that view anyway. So why are they wrong? Yes I expect more than because you say so. If you want to argue that if the majority believe something it is right then please think again because the majority have often been wrong.
Your view also results in the there are no absolutes because right and wrong is determined simply by where you happen to live. Yet when people move they don't change what they believe to match what locals think which they should.
Well if that was the whole story then I would agree but that is getting off topic to explore that further.
I think I kinda like whenever I hear a Christian basically make the argument that if there were no God, they'd pretty much rob you, kill you and sodomize your corpse. Why... There'd be no reason not to! Who could resist?!
Quite simply if you believe there is a God and that God created everything then that God gets to make the rules! Bit like you get to make the rules for your house (well ok within the limits of the law but hopefully you get the idea)
These statements might be your opinion. Got any justification for them being morally correct? by justification I don't mean because you said so or because a group thinks so.
Are these things you guys really believe? More specifically...What's the different? A Christian can rob, kill and sodomize someone and ask the Lord for forgiveness. And it will be given.I think I kinda like whenever I hear a Christian basically make the argument that if there were no God, they'd pretty much rob you, kill you and sodomize your corpse. Why... There'd be no reason not to! Who could resist?!
You do know this is a logical fallacy?I'm afraid the facts are not found in what you accept. They are plainly obvious. Human beings have, throughout the course of our history, formed moral codes and subsequently altered or modified them, to suit the prevailing societal expectations. This isn't a matter for debate - it's a demonstrable fact.
These statements might be your opinion. Got any justification for them being morally correct? by justification I don't mean because you said so or because a group thinks so.
I have nothing to say about people I do not know, but I hope I can offer something to the "tangents."
I see morality as a set of rules and behaviors practiced to show other humans that we value them. They are human, therefore they are worthy of respect, therefore we need a way to show our respect to them. Morality (don't kill, don't covet, don't steal, don't step on toes, etc.) is how we express this sense for inherent value.
So, from this view, all morality, from every culture, serves the same purpose: to express how valuable other people are to us. The moral expression differs, sure, but not the intent.
So there is your indication of absolutes. All morality exists because human beings value each other inherently, and we need a way to express that each one is valuable (important, worthy of respect, etc.).
-Pie
No no no !
And is Christianity about doing whatever you want, to whoever you want, whenever you want, and then just asking forgiveness?
-Pie
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