"Evolution say rape not bad"

[Hank]

So if evolution is false we humans are responsible for our actions and if it is true we are not.

One must love our fellow human Eric; he is good for a very good laugh, and laughter is good for your health.

Thank you, thank you, thank you

 

[GrowingSmaller]

Wisdom in the Proverbs says 'my words bring life to those who find them'.

Evolution is about survival and prosperity of life forms.

Am I the only one who sees the connection?

 

[GrimKingGrim]

Wisdom in the Proverbs says 'my words bring life to those who find them'.

Evolution is about survival and prosperity of life forms.

Am I the only one who sees the connection?

I'm guessing so because there's no connection

 

[Eudaimonist]

Evolution does not say that rape is good or bad, but the Bible sure seems to condone rape. All you have to do is to rape some girl, and then she'll have to get married to you (if her father agrees), and you can rape her as much as you like. Granted, marriage without divorce may be punishment in itself.

If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ranunculus]

If evolution is true, then it wasn’t wrong for Josh Duggar to molest his sisters

If gravity is true, then it wasn't wrong to dump toxic garbage all over the playground.

 

[SteveB28]

If gravity is true, then it wasn't wrong to dump toxic garbage all over the playground.

Yes, and if the theory of combustion is true, it isn't wrong to fire-bomb your neighbour.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Let's see... Who would I rather have as a friend?..

This person?


Or

This person?

I think I know which one I'd choose.

I would choose Ken Hovind as well. He doesn't carry the angst that the other one does.

 

[Cearbhall]

So what's the deal here? It's 2015 and people are still trying to push anti-evolution? That ship is sinking. More importantly can we respect the whole situation enough to not use it as a springboard for your own agenda please, Eric?

This is what happens when anti-evolutionists think that evolution is a "religion." He seems to think that the facts of nature rule our values in the same way that doctrine rules his.

I really don't give a crap how rape is related to the process of evolution. Evolution isn't a deity. I don't owe it anything. What matters to me is that I don't want to be raped, so I'll support measures that protect me from being raped. It's as simple as that.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/cre...-wrong-for-josh-duggar-to-molest-his-sisters/

Eric Hovind is a true thorn in my ear and a lot of others. But I wouldn't think He'd stoop so low as to take advantage of the Josh Duggar situation and try to flip it into an anti-evolutionary agenda. Seriously how childish. I understand that Duggar's in serious hot water for his past misgivings and is being punished accordingly. He hasn't been arrested so far as I know, he just got a completely disingenuous show off the air and possibly cancelled. Great.

So what's the deal here? It's 2015 and people are still trying to push anti-evolution? That ship is sinking. More importantly can we respect the whole situation enough to not use it as a springboard for your own agenda please, Eric?

Well > http://creation.com/the-holocaust-and-evolution

Hovind's statements were from the It's All Darwin's Fault script of misappropriating anything evil or awful to discredit evolution, and in turn strategically use the alleged nefariousness of it as a mechanism to promote creationism. I've noticed that for many young earth creationist apologists their efforts are placed far more on vilifying evolution than substantiating their own tenets. The lack of scientific evidence to support their stance, and the preponderance of evidence to disprove it, necessitates a need to use other tactics to keep anti-evolution dogma alive in 2015. It's really little wonder that kids who've been taught about evolution from a YEC perspective would be so adamant about refuting it when they've been led to believe that the TOE is responsible for the Holocaust, rape, murder, and other destruction to humanity. Many are also taught that it's a toxic religion nonbelievers turn to when they "turn away from God" to fill voids, and that it's a corruptive force. This is all in tandem to being indoctrinated with the belief that it's a very grave sin, prideful, and mortally dangerous to read the creation myths as any way but absolutely literal, and that it is the exclusive "truth" for Christians. It's manipulative but it seems to be effective for keeping the pulse of YEC.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Well > http://creation.com/the-holocaust-and-evolution

Hovind's statements were from the It's All Darwin's Fault script of misappropriating anything evil or awful to discredit evolution, and in turn strategically use the alleged nefariousness of it as a mechanism to promote creationism. I've noticed that for many young earth creationist apologists their efforts are placed far more on vilifying evolution than substantiating their own tenets. The lack of scientific evidence to support their stance, and the preponderance of evidence to disprove it, necessitates a need to use other tactics to keep anti-evolution dogma alive in 2015. It's really little wonder that kids who've been taught about evolution from a YEC perspective would be so adamant about refuting it when they've been led to believe that the TOE is responsible for the Holocaust, rape, murder, and other destruction to humanity. Many are also taught that it's a toxic religion nonbelievers turn to when they "turn away from God" to fill voids, and that it's a corruptive force. This is all in tandem to being indoctrinated with the belief that it's a very grave sin, prideful, and mortally dangerous to read the creation myths as any way but absolutely literal, and that it is the exclusive "truth" for Christians. It's manipulative but it seems to be effective for keeping the pulse of YEC.

I think most who reject evolution, whether Christian or not, simply........don't believe it.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

I would choose Ken Hovind as well. He doesn't carry the angst that the other one does.

It's not who I woulda chosen. But since you've made your choice, I hope your new friend never becomes atheist, for your own safety.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's not who I woulda chosen. But since you've made your choice, I hope your new friend never becomes atheist, for your own safety.

Thanks, I'll watch my back.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

I think most who reject evolution, whether Christian or not, simply........don't believe it.

"I don't 'believe' in evolution any more than I 'believe' in gravity. It's a fact." - Donald Johanson

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I guess neither would breaking the law be bad. But at least we have laws, that what keep us safer.

 

[Smidlee]

"I don't 'believe' in evolution any more than I 'believe' in gravity. It's a fact." - Donald Johanson

Well I believe in gravity but I don't believe in human evolution. And that's a fact.

 

[Cearbhall]

I don't understand why anybody is surprised that a Hovind is saying something vile.

I've never heard of him before, but I'm sure glad he's a Christian if that's the only thing keeping him from thinking rape is morally acceptable.

 

[EatingPie]

I have nothing to say about people I do not know, but I hope I can offer something to the "tangents."

Given that there are multiple societies all over the world and they disagree, in some senses, with what is right or wrong, I'd say we have a fair indication that there is much disagreement over something I see folks saying are and "absolute" of either and no real indication that there are any absolutes.

I see morality as a set of rules and behaviors practiced to show other humans that we value them. They are human, therefore they are worthy of respect, therefore we need a way to show our respect to them. Morality (don't kill, don't covet, don't steal, don't step on toes, etc.) is how we express this sense for inherent value.

So, from this view, all morality, from every culture, serves the same purpose: to express how valuable other people are to us. The moral expression differs, sure, but not the intent.

So there is your indication of absolutes. All morality exists because human beings value each other inherently, and we need a way to express that each one is valuable (important, worthy of respect, etc.).

-Pie

 

[Eudaimonist]

I see morality as a set of rules and behaviors practiced to show other humans that we value them. They are human, therefore they are worthy of respect, therefore we need a way to show our respect to them. Morality (don't kill, don't covet, don't steal, don't step on toes, etc.) is how we express this sense for inherent value.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I tend to agree, though I would say that morality may also have to do with showing to oneself that one values oneself.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Cearbhall]

So there is your indication of absolutes. All morality exists because human beings value each other inherently, and we need a way to express that each one is valuable (important, worthy of respect, etc.).

That's a very interesting view. I disagree, but I've never heard it put that way before. Thank you for sharing.

 

[TheDag]

And it clearly matters to society, which means it matters.


However, you are responsible to society for your actions.

These statements might be your opinion. Got any justification for them being morally correct? by justification I don't mean because you said so or because a group thinks so.