We see that OWG is back to his old tactic of ignoring most of what people write when he is shown to be in error, only to reply with silly one liners. I documented this behavior just about
Creationists wonder why evolutionists get so frustrated with their antics that we use insults more than they do.
Nice example - I write this lengthy, referenced response in which I explain the creationist's mistakes and explain how his own reference does not support his claims:
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So there really is no reflexive action not coming from the brain? Can you explain this (from one of my links),
Reflexes
"A reflex is an automatic response to a stimulus. For example, the lower leg jerks when the tendon below the kneecap is gently tapped with a small rubber hammer. The pathway that a reflex follows (reflex arc) does not directly involve the brain. The pathway consists of the sensory nerve to the spinal cord, the nerve connections in the spinal cord, and the motor nerves back to the muscle."
Nothing wrong with that.
But this is not what you wrote:
" This is a visceral reaction (the 'mind' of the body)
influencing the function of the throat and voice box without the direction of the brain."
And lets not forget this gem:
"How do you think
unconscious vocal signals get to the brain so fast when a person, or a giraffe, is suddenly surprised or frightened? "
I'd probably try to cover up the fact that I had written something so silly, too. If I were you. After having boasted of having a high IQ and all that ego-puffing.
But I am not you. I try not to pontificate on things I can actually understand that I don't know much about. I am not an egotist YEC with a failing religion to prop up at all costs.
What you cannot seem to grasp - due to you obvious ignorance of basic biology - is that the knee-jerk reflex is NOT at all like making sound.
You can do your precious little keyword searches and take things out of context and try to spin and do your historical revisionism all you want, and you will still be wrong, AND in the process of trying to save face, simply provide further evidence of your ignorance of anatomy and physiology. So keep it up!
You might want to google "Gut Feelings" as well. It's the source of my "the body has a mind of it's own" comment.
Gut Feelings–the "Second Brain" in Our Gastrointestinal Systems [Excerpt]
I don't know if you're the one to be representing all there is to know about this subject. You don't seem to be up to date on some of it.
First, I have never claimed or implied that I know all there is to know on any subject - not being a YEC, I tend not to think that way in the first place.
Second, having taken graduate level anatomy and physiology classes, and having taught anatomy and neuroscience (as well as cell biology, immunology, evolution, etc.) at the college level, I think I probably know more about the matter than some retired dude that cannot seem to grasp basic freshman level biology.
For future reference - try this:
The Neural Basis of Speech and Language
http://samples.jbpub.com/9781449652678/74738_CH02_FINAL.pdf
You might actually learn something. Doubt it, but you might.
Anyway, it is absolutely hilarious that you are trying to equate this with your farcical claims about "unconscious vocal signals" getting TO the brain.
From your link:
Our brain and gut are connected by an extensive network of neurons and a highway of chemicals and hormones that constantly provide feedback about how hungry we are, whether or not we’re experiencing stress, or if we’ve ingested a disease-causing microbe. ...
The enteric nervous system is often referred to as our body’s second brain. There are hundreds of million of neurons connecting the brain to the enteric nervous system, the part of the nervous system that is tasked with controlling the gastrointestinal system. This vast web of connections monitors the entire digestive tract from the esophagus to the anus [weird - no mention of controlling the "voice box" when scared!]....
While our “second” brain cannot compose a symphony or paint a masterpiece the way the brain in our skull can, it does perform an important role in managing the workings of our inner tube. ...
Operations of the enteric nervous system are overseen by the brain and central nervous system. The central nervous system is in communication with the gut via the sympathetic and parasympathetic branches of the autonomic nervous system, the involuntary arm of the nervous system that controls heart rate, breathing, and digestion...
This circuitry of neurons, hormones, and chemical neurotransmitters not only sends messages to the brain about the status of our gut, it allows for the brain to directly impact the gut environment....
And so on...
Did you actually read it? Or did you get so geeked out because it had the words 'gut' and 'brain' in it and thought that would be enough to prove that signals for vocalizations come from the gut? Because you just don't know any better and cannot bring yourself to admit it?
So.... This is the downside of someone that is clearly smart, but not as informed on subjects that they have no real education or experience in but feel compelled to pontificate on to protect their outdated religious views - they cannot understand the material, do keyword searches, skim a few sentences of the top returns, then present them as PROOF! of their claims.
VINDICATION! the overconfident yet totally under-informed creationist proclaims.
Only to be hoisted by their own petard yet again due to the very ignorance that got them in the jam in the first place.
AGAIN - why is it so hard for creationists to just admit they were wrong about something?
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And I get this blow-off reply:
"You still don't get it. I didn't say speech, I said sounds, vocalizations. Big difference. "
Creationists... chasing fence-sitters away from their Faith for 4 decades...
