Evolution is mathematically impossible

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or perhaps it is true, but not supposed to be taken literally (however you define "literally") ......
Certainly that is the most likely, especially if you take the opinion of the majority of Christians into account.
 
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Nah, there is an even simpler reason: some people just don't find the Bible that compelling.
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like all of us once were, dead in our transgressions and sin - nothing compelling us.... except maybe greed, desire for power or possessions, et al .....
 
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....hmmm.....
"no matter what"......

even if truth ? ..... or perhaps it is true, but not supposed to be taken literally (however you define "literally") ......

I think most argument against believing the Bible is just because of rebellion, not fact.

The rebellion might be mostly because of what little children were taught by their mommy and daddy.
The problem is that the evidence is so clear that it could only mean that God lied if the creation myth were true. But if somehow by some miracle the evidence could be shown to be wrong, and that is all but impossible with mountains of evidence supporting only one side, I could change my mind. But seriously how is that going to happen? All of the so called creation "scientist" that I have ever seen are either cowards or incompetent. None of them will put their ideas to the test and therefore cannot claim to have any evidence for them.

And no, practically no one goes against the Bible due to rebellion, at least not for long. They do so because they find far too much of it to be false. Bad science, bad morals, bad history. It still has some good lessons to be learned but there is a lot of chaff in with the grain.
 
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The creation account in Genesis cannot be interpreted to mean the continuation of evolution of air breathing species, including man, as the 'dry land' part of the earth was under water.
That is right, many Christians look at it just as a morality tale. A story that teaches a moral or morals but is not based upon reality. There is no need to believe the obvious myths in the Bible to be a Christian. In fact trying to claim that the Bible is flawless amounts to doing the same as making it a "graven image". An activity banned in the Ten Commandments. Do you remember the old vampire movies where a Bible would force vampires away? That is treating it as a magic talisman. That is not what it is for according to the Bible itself. What many literalists do amounts to the same thing.
 
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As usual, if not always, the majority is wrong. Does that change things ?
No, you think the majority is wrong, and that doesn't change anything. You don't own the Bible and are in no position to dictate to other Christians what they must believe about it.
 
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No, you think the majority is wrong, and that doesn't change anything. You don't own the Bible and are in no position to dictate to other Christians what they must believe about it.
If as it seems you are wrong, then you are wrong.

Your opinion does not change what I posted.
 
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No, you think the majority is wrong, and that doesn't change anything. You don't own the Bible and are in no position to dictate to other Christians what they must believe about it.

If there is one thing I've learned from creationists on this forum, it's that all of them appear to think they are God.
 
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....hmmm.....
"no matter what"......

even if truth ? ..... or perhaps it is true, but not supposed to be taken literally (however you define "literally") ......

I think most argument against believing the Bible is just because of rebellion, not fact.

The rebellion might be mostly because of what little children were taught by their mommy and daddy.

Truth can be demonstrated, with something other than personal opinion.
 
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If there is one thing I've learned from creationists on this forum, it's that all of them appear to think they are God.
Jesus said to Jews, does not TORAH say "you are all gods" ?
and then also
once born again we are created in the image of God..... to live with Him eternally...
starting as soon as we are born of Him, new creations.
 
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Jesus said to Jews, does not TORAH say "you are all gods" ?
and then also
once born again we are created in the image of God..... to live with Him eternally...
starting as soon as we are born of Him, new creations.

Sure.
 
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You answered my questions with non-answers. I'm waiting for real answers. To wit: How developed must an organism be before evolution is possible? And how does this development occur? And isn't this 'development' actually evolution without the means of evolution?
As I noted, I can't answer your questions until I know what you consider to be "life"
 
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Why the confusion around that issue?
It's not confusion. It's that there is no "hard line" between non-life and life; it's a matter of definition. For example, I gather that some scientists have hypothesized that semi-living organisms were capable of replication with variation (and thus capable of evolving) before developing to the point that they possessed the full suite of characteristics which we say define "life." Something like modern viruses, perhaps.
 
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