Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[Subduction Zone]

Did you forget that the world was covered in water just 4500 years ago?

Even in the last billion of years the whole of the Earth has not been underwater. How do we know? Because we can find sedimentary rocks where the ultimate source of the rocks were terrestrial sediments from now to then. For example you would be hard pressed to find a sandstone or a shale where the source of the sediments was not erosion of materials on the surface. They do not arise from the reworking of old submerged sedimentary or igneous rock. The sources do get a bit harder to find in the Precambrian but we can still find deposits here and there throughout the world and sandstone and shale are always present.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I still can't get over the biology fail of Tas suggesting all these animals are still around. Sure, there might be some Lazarus Taxa we still haven't found, but the majority would be extinct.

 

[createdtoworship]

In any case, if we go by the scale of the flood proposed by the bible, there isn't enough water on earth to do that, even if the ice caps completely melted and all underground water sources were forced to the surface against gravity.

a clip from a common site may help:

Note that the Bible talks about mountains rising (in connection with God’s rainbow promise, so after the Flood): see CEN Technical Journal 12(3):312–313, 1998. Everest has marine fossils at its peak. Therefore, the mountains before the Flood are not those of today. There is enough water in the oceans so that, if all the surface features of the earth were evened out, water would cover the earth to a depth of 2.7 km (1.7 miles). This is not enough to cover mountains the height of Everest, but it shows that the pre-Flood mountains could have been several kilometers high and still be covered.

from:

Noah's Flood covered the whole earth - creation.com

 

[createdtoworship]

Not all sedimentary rock is of marine origin. Try Googling loess, aeolian, clastic, breccias, till, erratics, moranies, etc.

sedimentary rock is laid down in a typical way, by sediments. Hence it's name. There may be some laid down other ways but the global sediment we see today, is laid down with water.

 

[createdtoworship]

Greater uniformity, what I mean by this is that the minerals that make up the sedimentary layer if there was a global flood would be more similar to each other across different areas of the earth than those caused by local floods because, with all the water holding the sediments mixing, the sediments would spread out and contaminate a greater area than they would in a local flood. No such thing is seen.

I suppose I could show you examples of how the bigger the local flood, the more is spread out minerals to places nearby that didn't have them, but since there was no global flood, those examples would be limited.

You can imitate it yourself fairly easily though, although it will be very simplistic.

so your saying that for example the earth would not move, and that the sedimentary rock would all be the same depth, etc and in a straight line? I am guessing because of your vagueness here, and guess work. Well that is unlikely, and the earth does move, and things are not uniform.

 

[createdtoworship]

there is evidence of actually a global scale flood, not a little, but a lot of evidence...
Evidence like the sedimentary layers show a global flood evidence. It can be interpreted as several local floods, but that would be the agenda of the evolutionary uniformitarian doing that, not typically those who adhere to creation and global flood catastrophy theory both.
Evidence such as the fact that fossils are typically buried in huge floods not local floods. Like the Dinasaur graveyard in north eastern montana that is about 1.5 miles by .25 miles wide where 10,000 duckbill dinasaurs are buried in 3 foot thick sedimentary layer. (one of the largest bone beds in america). Thats definitaly not a flash flood.
Evidence of Fossils buried quick, deep water fossils mainly!
I mean, how do you bury fossils so fast that their food is still in their mouth!

and here:

Or bury a fish so fast that she didn't have time to give birth! (seen here)

That must have happened quick, with a lot of force, and a lot of mineral deposit to cement the hard tissue of the animal.
Evidence such as this: among the majority of fossils are vegetation yes, however among invertebrate fossils: 95% are marine invertebrates (mainly fish). That ought to tell you something. Also among those fossils are mollusks/clams (which are often closed.) If the majority of invertebrates are deep water life, that means that something must have happened to join the existing oceans and the land masses. Among with even the clams are closed... Meaning that they did not have time enough for bacteria and scavengers to pry open after death which takes an hour to days. IF most of the fossils are deep water life, as Fish don't typically live in puddles then it was not a local flash flood. Any of it! Thirdly, local flood doesn't provide a heavy enough pressure to bury say 10,000 dinasaurs in 3 feet of dirt (montana), sealed, cemented with chemical injected into the mold enough to preserve nearly all body impressions. The evidence is obviously a global flood, which resulted in techtonic activity, and a resulting Ice age.

please note:

I will be taking a break from CF for a while as work picks up (7 days a week),

keep up the good fight!(your doing great TAS!)

cheers!

 

[Subduction Zone]

sedimentary rock is laid down in a typical way, by sediments. Hence it's name. There may be some laid down other ways but the global sediment we see today, is laid down with water.

What? You do realize that we have billions of years of sedimentary rock and that the ultimate source of most of that rock was from the erosion of land masses. And to be clearer that is land masses above water.

We know that there was never a world wide Flood. Especially not in the last few thousand years. That would have taken about 5 miles of water and would have left massive evidence behind.

 

[46AND2]

sedimentary rock is laid down in a typical way, by sediments. Hence it's name. There may be some laid down other ways but the global sediment we see today, is laid down with water.

I'm guessing you didn't google the other non-water sediments he mentioned.

 

[lasthero]

Or bury a fish so fast that she didn't have time to give birth! (seen here
http://iooe.org/articles/publication... Birth_t.jpg
That must have happened quick, with a lot of force, and a lot

There' s a lot to cover in your post, but this one stuck out to me - I've seen it presented as evidence before, but I've never seen the connection. How is a fossil of a fish with another fish in its mouth evidence of a global flood? Even if I assume it died quickly - and, frankly, my guess would be that the bigger fish just choked trying to get the smaller one down - why does the culprit have to be a global flood?

 

[Subduction Zone]

there is evidence of actually a global scale flood, not a little, but a lot of evidence...
Evidence like the sedimentary layers show a global flood evidence. It can be interpreted as several local floods, but that would be the agenda of the evolutionary uniformitarian doing that, not typically those who adhere to creation and global flood catastrophy theory both.
Evidence such as the fact that fossils are typically buried in huge floods not local floods. Like the Dinasaur graveyard in north eastern montana that is about 1.5 miles by .25 miles wide where 10,000 duckbill dinasaurs are buried in 3 foot thick sedimentary layer. (one of the largest bone beds in america). Thats definitaly not a flash flood.
Evidence of Fossils buried quick, deep water fossils mainly!
I mean, how do you bury fossils so fast that their food is still in their mouth!

and here:

Or bury a fish so fast that she didn't have time to give birth! (seen here)

That must have happened quick, with a lot of force, and a lot of mineral deposit to cement the hard tissue of the animal.
Evidence such as this: among the majority of fossils are vegetation yes, however among invertebrate fossils: 95% are marine invertebrates (mainly fish). That ought to tell you something. Also among those fossils are mollusks/clams (which are often closed.) If the majority of invertebrates are deep water life, that means that something must have happened to join the existing oceans and the land masses. Among with even the clams are closed... Meaning that they did not have time enough for bacteria and scavengers to pry open after death which takes an hour to days. IF most of the fossils are deep water life, as Fish don't typically live in puddles then it was not a local flash flood. Any of it! Thirdly, local flood doesn't provide a heavy enough pressure to bury say 10,000 dinasaurs in 3 feet of dirt (montana), sealed, cemented with chemical injected into the mold enough to preserve nearly all body impressions. The evidence is obviously a global flood, which resulted in techtonic activity, and a resulting Ice age.

please note:

I will be taking a break from CF for a while as work picks up (7 days a week),

keep up the good fight!(your doing great TAS!)

cheers!

At least juvie admits to some evolution here. He is not totally wrong. Please note that he called a lizard a fish. Technically he is correct since all land vertebrates, man included are in the clade of bony fishes and the lizard that he chose would also be in the clade of bony fishes.

 

[TasManOfGod]

What? You do realize that we have billions of years of sedimentary rock and that the ultimate source of most of that rock was from the erosion of land masses. And to be clearer that is land masses above water.

We know that there was never a world wide Flood. Especially not in the last few thousand years. That would have taken about 5 miles of water and would have left massive evidence behind.

There is masses of evidence for a world wide flood - both written and what you see. If you don't believe one believe the other. If you believe neither then make up something, which it seems many of you have done.

 

[PsychoSarah]

a clip from a common site may help:

Note that the Bible talks about mountains rising (in connection with God’s rainbow promise, so after the Flood): see CEN Technical Journal 12(3):312–313, 1998. Everest has marine fossils at its peak. Therefore, the mountains before the Flood are not those of today. There is enough water in the oceans so that, if all the surface features of the earth were evened out, water would cover the earth to a depth of 2.7 km (1.7 miles). This is not enough to cover mountains the height of Everest, but it shows that the pre-Flood mountains could have been several kilometers high and still be covered.

from:

Noah's Flood covered the whole earth - creation.com

Oh, but we do have a named modern mountain in the flood story.

 

[Subduction Zone]

There is masses of evidence for a world wide flood - both written and what you see. If you don't believe one believe the other. If you believe neither then make up something, which it seems many of you have done.

Wrong. There is no objective evidence for a Flood. There are stories and that is all. The Earth says there was no flood, and the Earth does "speak" if you know how to listen.

You do realize that the earliest of geologists were actually looking for confirmation of the Flood and they found the opposite, that there never was a flood, to be the case, don't you?

All of the sedimentary rocks that you can see are many millions of years old. None of them are recent.

 

[PsychoSarah]

so your saying that for example the earth would not move, and that the sedimentary rock would all be the same depth, etc and in a straight line? I am guessing because of your vagueness here, and guess work. Well that is unlikely, and the earth does move, and things are not uniform.

Not in a perfectly strait line, of course not, but there would be less localization of certain strata.

 

[USincognito]

sedimentary rock is laid down in a typical way, by sediments. Hence it's name. There may be some laid down other ways but the global sediment we see today, is laid down with water.

Ummm....
Sediment transport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[USincognito]

I mean, how do you bury fossils so fast that their food is still in their mouth!

I see "fossil", not "fossils". And my guess is that the predatory fish clogged it's gills with the prey fish and then settled in an anoxic environment.

Or bury a fish so fast that she didn't have time to give birth! (seen here)

SZ is willing to give you credit that all vertebrates are in the fish clade, but I'm not. It's more of an indication that you don't understand the basics (an Ichthysaur is a marine reptile, not a fish), so how can you be expected to understand sophisticated concepts like anoxic environments.

 

[PsychoSarah]

gradyll, ever heard of birth complications and choking?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I of course am having fun with juvie. But I was one hundred percent serious when I said at one point dad looked a lot like a flatworm:

And some cross sections of dad at that stage:

Source: Carnegie stage 8 - Embryology

 

[TasManOfGod]

Wrong. There is no objective evidence for a Flood. There are stories and that is all. The Earth says there was no flood, and the Earth does "speak" if you know how to listen.

methinks you must have had your ear plugs in

You do realize that the earliest of geologists were actually looking for confirmation of the Flood and they found the opposite, that there never was a flood, to be the case, don't you?

Well that must be true then . They had some great equipment back then

All of the sedimentary rocks that you can see are many millions of years old. None of them are recent.

So how old are the rocks formed by Mt. St. Helens -1 million yo? 2 million yo? just wondering

 

[PsychoSarah]

So how old are the rocks formed by Mt. St. Helens -1 million yo? 2 million yo? just wondering

You say that, but don't you realize that even if that was an issue in dating rock, that would cause it to be dated YOUNGER than it actually was?