Evolution False? Absolute proof inside.

[Queller]

Ya ... ain't that something!?

Must just be my opinion then, huh?

That's correct, it is just your opinion. Unfortunately, you claimed you had Scriptural support for your opinion.

Maybe I should have made that a little plainer.

You know ... with size-7 font or something?

Or not claimed to have Scriptural support when you don't.

 

[Queller]

here

And we should accept an article written by the same guy who wrote this

A true Christian rejects evolution

because...?

 

[Queller]

Perhaps that indicates a reluctance to actually reveal proof of a world wide flood
Here is a good reference to it Millions of Grand Canyon nautiloid fossils prove rapid limestone formation | Young Earth - Age of the Earth - Evidence Against Old Earth Arguments

Too bad there is nothing in that article that supports the claim that "1000s of nautiloids ended up all facing the same direction"

 

[Queller]

Yup! Sure is. But wait. Those are paleontologist, not archeologists.

Jeez, NOW I get it.

 

[Queller]

It fascinates me how those who consider themselves scientific literate don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that in a flood the water bound life forms are the first ones to perish (assuming some form of contaminated water)

Then how is it possible we have any fish now? All that mixing of salt and fresh water (you know, contaminated) would have killed all the fish.

 

[Queller]

There's no mention of 10,000 specimens in that abstract. You're simply lying now.

Not to mention this from the abstract.

Four are associated with small lacustrine or waterhole environments and may be the result of drought-related mortality. Within the Two Medicine Formation drought was apparently a common mechanism for generating fossil assemblages.

 

[TasManOfGod]

Then how is it possible we have any fish now? All that mixing of salt and fresh water (you know, contaminated) would have killed all the fish.

To answer I will borrow a phase that I heard somewhere or other: "Survival of the fittest"

 

[Queller]

a clip from a common site may help:

Note that the Bible talks about mountains rising (in connection with God’s rainbow promise, so after the Flood): see CEN Technical Journal 12(3):312–313, 1998. Everest has marine fossils at its peak. Therefore, the mountains before the Flood are not those of today. There is enough water in the oceans so that, if all the surface features of the earth were evened out, water would cover the earth to a depth of 2.7 km (1.7 miles). This is not enough to cover mountains the height of Everest, but it shows that the pre-Flood mountains could have been several kilometers high and still be covered.

from:

Noah's Flood covered the whole earth - creation.com

OK, so what caused the Himalayas to rise nearly 4 miles, how long did it take, and what stopped the rapid rise (and every other mountain range more than 1.7 miles high)?

 

[Queller]

To answer I will borrow a phase that I heard somewhere or other: "Survival of the fittest"

How do you get "survival of the fittest" out of "killed ALL the fish"?

 

[TasManOfGod]

OK, so what caused the Himalayas to rise nearly 4 miles, how long did it take, and what stopped the rapid rise (and every other mountain range more than 1.7 miles high)?

Based on catastrophic flood conditions it is also interesting to note that while there is the possibility of mountains "rising" there is also the phenomonon of cities sinking ie. Atlantis. This give me the idea that perhaps there was more than an axis shift but even a relocation of poles as well resulting in an entirely different world map.

 

[TasManOfGod]

How do you get "survival of the fittest" out of "killed ALL the fish"?

Where did you get the quote "killed all the fish"?

 

[HitchSlap]

Based on catastrophic flood conditions it is also interesting to note that while there is the possibility of mountains "rising" there is also the phenomonon of cities sinking ie. Atlantis. This give me the idea that perhaps there was more than an axis shift but even a relocation of poles as well resulting in an entirely different world map.

Sounds like you have your work cut out for you.

 

[Queller]

Based on catastrophic flood conditions it is also interesting to note that while there is the possibility of mountains "rising" there is also the phenomonon of cities sinking ie. Atlantis. This give me the idea that perhaps there was more than an axis shift but even a relocation of poles as well resulting in an entirely different world map.

Oooook. You want to take a stab at actually answering my questions three now?

 

[Queller]

Where did you get the quote "killed all the fish"?

I just took you at what you were saying

It fascinates me how those who consider themselves scientific literate don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that in a flood the water bound life forms are the first ones to perish (assuming some form of contaminated water)

Mixing fresh and salt water (and thereby diluting both) is about as contaminated as it would have been possible to be 4,500 years ago.

Even if some fish survived, they would have to have been capable of living in brackish water. How did so many specialized (fresh water and salt water) fish re-evolve in only 4,500 years?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Let's not forget the state of the oceans with so much decaying material in them.

 

[TasManOfGod]

I just took you at what you were saying

But I didn't say that and certainly don't believe it

Mixing fresh and salt water (and thereby diluting both) is about as contaminated as it would have been possible to be 4,500 years ago.

I am not a marine biologist (although my son in law is) but I surmise that even as catastrophic as the Flood was there would be isolated pockets where survival
would occur

Even if some fish survived, they would have to have been capable of living in brackish water.

see above

How did so many specialized (fresh water and salt water) fish re-evolve in only 4,500 years?

They don't and never have the first time either.
Bottom line: How did they survive ? I don't know -but they did

 

[TasManOfGod]

Let's not forget the state of the oceans with so much decaying material in them.

Indeed Let's not

 

[PsychoSarah]

But I didn't say that and certainly don't believe it

I am not a marine biologist (although my son in law is) but I surmise that even as catastrophic as the Flood was there would be isolated pockets where survival
would occur
see above

They don't and never have the first time either.
Bottom line: How did they survive ? I don't know -but they did

You don't understand the sensitivity of sea life. Mixing water like that would be to fish like mixing carbon monoxide in our air would do to us. It would be a slow, agonizing suffocation

 

[TasManOfGod]

You don't understand the sensitivity of sea life. Mixing water like that would be to fish like mixing carbon monoxide in our air would do to us. It would be a slow, agonizing suffocation

But they DID survive (well some anyway) - amazing eh?

 

[PsychoSarah]

But they DID survive (well some anyway) - amazing eh?

Remember, no flood, so nothing to impress me here as far as that goes. Seriously, combined with the excess of rotting material, the only things in the water that would likely survive is bacteria, making the oceans into a festering mess of biohazard.