Evolution as a Life Giving Process

[Valetic]

mys·tic
[ˈmistik]
NOUN

1. a person who seeks by contemplation and self-surrender to obtain unity with or absorption into the Deity or the absolute, or who believes in the spiritual apprehension of truths that are beyond the intellect.
   "the poetry of the 16th-century Spanish mystic, St. John of the Cross"
   synonyms: seer · mystic · oracle · prophet · prophetess · soothsayer · sibyl · augur ·
   mystical.
   synonyms: spiritual · religious · transcendental · transcendent · paranormal ·
   [more]
   
   
   I don't think I fit that, I've never considered Jesus to be mystical.

Isn't that how the urantia book was written by definition? LOL

 

[Colter]

Isn't that how the urantia book was written by definition? LOL

No, the UB was written by a number of celestial beings under the authority of Christ.

 

[Valetic]

No, the UB was written by a number of celestial beings under the authority of Christ.

Would you kindly site where I can find the bolded part of the quote?

 

[Colter]

Would you kindly site where I can find the bolded part of the quote?

The Urantia Book
Paper 120

120:0.1 ASSIGNED BY GABRIEL to supervise the restatement of the life of Michael when on Urantia and in the likeness of mortal flesh, I, the Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission intrusted with this task, am authorized to present this narrative of certain events which immediately preceded the Creator Son’s arrival on Urantia to embark upon the terminal phase of his universe bestowal experience. To live such identical lives as he imposes upon the intelligent beings of his own creation, thus to bestow himself in the likeness of his various orders of created beings, is a part of the price which every Creator Son must pay for the full and supreme sovereignty of his self-made universe of things and beings.

 

[Valetic]

The Urantia Book
Paper 120

120:0.1 ASSIGNED BY GABRIEL to supervise the restatement of the life of Michael when on Urantia and in the likeness of mortal flesh, I, the Melchizedek director of the revelatory commission intrusted with this task, am authorized to present this narrative of certain events which immediately preceded the Creator Son’s arrival on Urantia to embark upon the terminal phase of his universe bestowal experience. To live such identical lives as he imposes upon the intelligent beings of his own creation, thus to bestow himself in the likeness of his various orders of created beings, is a part of the price which every Creator Son must pay for the full and supreme sovereignty of his self-made universe of things and beings.

I didn't see anywhere in there anything that fit your previous post.

 

[AV1611VET]

I didn't see anywhere in there anything that fit your previous post.

Here's a list of some of their beliefs:

1. Prayer is not to be attempted until one has "exhausted the human capacity for human adjustment." In addition, "words are irrelevant to prayer."
2. The biblical doctrine of atonement (Hebrews 9:22) "unnecessarily encumbered Christianity with teachings about blood and sacrifice."
3. The home is seen as a "sociological institution," and the belief that marriage is a sacred state is called "unfortunate." "Deity is not a conjoining party" in marriages that dissolve.
4. Mankind's parents were named Andon and Fonta, who procreated Sontad.
5. Adam, Solomon, and David were not in the direct line of ancestry of Joseph, the father of Jesus.
6. Jesus adopted the term "Son of Man" at age fifteen after reading a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch.
7. During his twenty-eighth and twenty-ninth years on earth, Jesus toured the Roman world, accompanied by the natives from India.
8. The indwelling Christ is not essential to salvation, since "Jesus does not require his disciples to believe in him but rather to believe with him."

Source: Larson's Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality

 

[Valetic]

Here's a list of some of their beliefs:

1. Prayer is not to be attempted until one has "exhausted the human capacity for human adjustment." In addition, "words are irrelevant to prayer."
2. The biblical doctrine of atonement (Hebrews 9:22) "unnecessarily encumbered Christianity with teachings about blood and sacrifice."
3. The home is seen as a "sociological institution," and the belief that marriage is a sacred state is called "unfortunate." "Deity is not a conjoining party" in marriages that dissolve.
4. Mankind's parents were named Andon and Fonta, who procreated Sontad.
5. Adam, Solomon, and David were not in the direct line of ancestry of Joseph, the father of Jesus.
6. Jesus adopted the term "Son of Man" at age fifteen after reading a passage in the so-called Book of Enoch.
7. During his twenty-eighth and twenty-ninth years on earth, Jesus toured the Roman world, accompanied by the natives from India.
8. The indwelling Christ is not essential to salvation, since "Jesus does not require his disciples to believe in him but rather to believe with him."

Source: Larson's Book of World Religions and Alternative Spirituality

Yeah I've done some research on it too since meeting this guy, but to actually go so far to say that celestial beings have given us a gospel that supersedes the one already given to us under the authority of Christ Is the bit that really made me squirm.

 

[Valetic]

Galatians 1
6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

 

[Heissonear]

No, the UB was written by a number of celestial beings under the authority of Christ.

This tread was started to invoke openess to how the spectrum of lifeforms came about on Earth besides by evolution.

What has happened is a cult based religion is broadcasting a lot of content by cut and past and chat.

It is from the teachings from the Urantia Bible. Yes, beings not from our solar system planted life here.

This OP thread is as follows:

Evolution can no longer be presented/promoted to the masses as the only way life past and present has come about on Earth.

I think someone sharing the Urantia is over doing it.

If we wanted to learn extensively about the Urantia Colter should open a thread about what he is promoting. An alternative to evolution as presented by the Urantia.

Otherwise this thread will amass Urantia content. Some sharing should be fine. Too much, not so.

 

[AV1611VET]

Galatians 1
6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

You ninja'd me on this passage!

I was just about to post it myself.

KJV of course!

 

[AV1611VET]

I think someone sharing the Urantia is over doing it.

I'm to blame on this one.

I wanted to make three points with Colter:

1. Urantia is a cult.
2. Urantia embraces panspermia.
   
3. Urantia is not supported by mainline science.

I'm done now. :+

 

[Valetic]

This tread was started to invoke openess to how the spectrum of lifeforms came about on Earth besides by evolution.

What has happened is a cult based religion is broadcasting a lot of content by cut and past and chat.

It is from the teachings from the Urantia Bible. Yes, beings not from our solar system planted life here.

This OP thread is as follows:


I think someone sharing the Urantia is over doing it.

If we wanted to learn extensively about the Urantia Colter should open a thread about what he is promoting. An alternative to evolution as presented by the Urantia.

Otherwise this thread will amass Urantia content. Some sharing should be fine. Too much, not so.

Sorry, I must take a portion of the blame for derailing the thread into a different topic.

 

[Colter]

This tread was started to invoke openess to how the spectrum of lifeforms came about on Earth besides by evolution.

What has happened is a cult based religion is broadcasting a lot of content by cut and past and chat.

It is from the teachings from the Urantia Bible. Yes, beings not from our solar system planted life here.

This OP thread is as follows:


I think someone sharing the Urantia is over doing it.

If we wanted to learn extensively about the Urantia Colter should open a thread about what he is promoting. An alternative to evolution as presented by the Urantia.

Otherwise this thread will amass Urantia content. Some sharing should be fine. Too much, not so.

Actually, what has happened is the anti-evolution crowd has no answers, they cannot defend the evidence in the earth compared to the YEC claims of the Israelite authors of Genesis. So, when an alternative explanation is given to them they attack me, the UB etc.

 

[Colter]

I'm to blame on this one.

I wanted to make three points with Colter:

1. Urantia is a cult.
2. Urantia embraces panspermia.
   
3. Urantia is not supported by mainline science.

I'm done now. :+

I will rebut AV

1. The UB is a revelation, we have no ego driven preachers, priests, popes, presidents or leaders. We typically meet in homes study and discuss in addition to living the teachings of Jesus, the original gospel for which he was killed, before the new gospel about Jesus as a primitive, Pagan sacrifice replaced it.


2. Urantia doesn't embrace panspermia, AV doesn't know what the book that he has never read actually says, so he googles skeptic books and swallows the bait then says stupid stuff.

3. AV is being hypocritical, he cherry picks so called "mainline science" when it suits, but is in some form of denial about the scientific consensus when it comes to the evolution of life that contradicts Genesis.


4. AV does what his religion tells him to do, he thinks the way he is told to think, he has been trained to feel guilty and lacking in faith if he doubts the authenticity of the Bible. Had AV been a Jew during the times of Christ, indoctrinated by Judaism and the false doctrine of the inspiration of the OT scriptures, then he would have rejected Jesus making all the same claims against Jesus that he makes against the UB.

 

[Colter]

Galatians 1
6I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel;7which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! 9As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!

I was born again of the spirit 33+ years ago. Jesus is right here right now, he knows exactly what's in my heart.

Paul taught his own version of the gospel so he had no room to criticize others. Paul's gospel was another gospel other than the one Jesus taught for 3+ years before the cross......but this obvious fact is too disturbing for people to consider.

There will come a day when people seek God on their own and find him rather than parroting doctrines and creeds.

 

[Colter]

I didn't see anywhere in there anything that fit your previous post.

Gabriel was the first created being of Christ Michael. All that he does is approved by our Lord. The UB has the entire life and teachings of Jesus as witnessed by celestials who were on earth at the time Jesus was here and have access to the records which they used in their presentation. It is a compelling story which gives us much better insight into the Life of Jesus and the original, lost gospel.

 

[Colter]

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[Valetic]

Paul taught his own version of the gospel so he had no room to criticize others. Paul's gospel was another gospel other than the one Jesus taught for 3+ years before the cross......but this obvious fact is too disturbing for people to consider.

Acts 9
15But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. 16I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.”

Do you know what the gospel is? Jesus didn't teach the gospel because he IS the gospel! He came to bleed and die on a cross because there is no remission of sin without bloodshed. The wages of sin is death and God so loved the world he gave us his only son to do God's work and pay the debt of death we earned for ourselves so that when we believe in him we have everlasting life. Jesus preached this same gospel very vaguely when he said things like destroy this temple and I will raise it up in 3 days and again at the last supper. Jesus didn't preach the gospel the way you say he did.

There will come a day when people seek God on their own and find him rather than parroting doctrines and creed

People already do and they are born again. This does not yet happen without knowing the biblical gospel of Jesus.

And is there something wrong with parroting scripture? I don't think so if you use it to strengthen your case. Jesus literally did nothing but parrot scripture when he was tempted by Satan until Jesus finally told him to leave.

Gabriel was the first created being of Christ Michael. All that he does is approved by our Lord. The UB has the entire life and teachings of Jesus as witnessed by celestials who were on earth at the time Jesus was here and have access to the records which they used in their presentation. It is a compelling story which gives us much better insight into the Life of Jesus and the original, lost gospel.

Again there is no evidence for much of what is being said here. I think you really need to go back and do some bible history and scripture reading before you start making claims that you did here. You are going along with the status quo that the bible is outdated and can be invalidated when urantians actually believe you shouldn't be a urantian until you are a master of the bible. But I feel strongly that none of them really are.

 

[Ophiolite]

Mutation doesn't leave an intermediate step because there isn't one. There are the forms that one thing mutated from, mutation to mutation.

You are echoing the Hopeful Monster hypothesis of Goldschmit, introduced to provide a mechanism for macroevolution. This was held in low regard by most biologists, almost from the outset. I've long had a soft spot for the notion, but - regretably - it lacks the evidential and theoretical support required to make it viable.

Unless you are unique amongst humanity, you carry several mutations absent from the somatic cells of your parents. Your children, if you have any, will carry mutations not present in your somatic cells. You are the intermediate. Every generation is an intermediate. The fossil record captures chance snapshots of a tiny fraction of these intermediates.

Edit: corrected spelling of parents

 

[Ophiolite]

Paleontologists can see the shape of fossils and estimate anatomical functions of extinct species. They cannot see what started a heart beat or how people receive comfort from God.

However, biochemists and cardiologists can state what starts a heart beat and psychologists can explain the process by which people perceive they have received comfort from God. Neither of these statements disproves, or is intended to disprove, or to cast doubt upon, the existence of God. The statements are consistent with most brands of theism and with atheism.