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Evolution and the myth of "scientific consensus"
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bhsmte
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If you read the whole thing, the attorney gets him to admit, his definition of a theory, is really what the academy would consider a hypothesis. And there is no question he stated; if ID was a scientific theory under his definition, than astrology would also be considered a scientific theory.
Scientific theories are science, correct?
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Oncedeceived
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I would like you to email him. I've done so in the past and he is very accommodating in answering. I'll await his answer.
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What he said was under the definition used ID would be science as was astrology at one time. It clearly states at one time in the past, and not currently due to it being incorrect.
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Oncedeceived
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That is not what bshmte said in his post. That is a different issue.
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Oncedeceived
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Are you denying that he said Astrology would be considered science in the past?
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bhsmte
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Here it is folks, make your own call as to what Behe stated.
Q But you are clear, under your definition, the definition that sweeps in intelligent design, astrology is also a scientific theory, correct?
AYes, that's correct. And let me explain under my definition of the word "theory," it is -- a sense of the word "theory" does not include the theory being true, it means a proposition based on physical evidence to explain some facts by logical inferences. There have been many theories throughout the history of science which looked good at the time which further progress has shown to be incorrect. Nonetheless, we can't go back and say that because they were incorrect they were not theories. So many many things that we now realized to be incorrect, incorrect theories, are nonetheless theories.
Above is the question posed to Behe and his complete answer to that question. He answered in the affirmitive, that according to his definition of ID, astrology would also be considered a scientific theory. Since this question was posed in the present, for Behe's definition of ID, he also answered in present comparative way for astrology. He never mentions has definition of a theory would apply to astrology as a scientific theory from a long time ago, he simply said; yes, that is correct.
Q But you are clear, under your definition, the definition that sweeps in intelligent design, astrology is also a scientific theory, correct?
AYes, that's correct. And let me explain under my definition of the word "theory," it is -- a sense of the word "theory" does not include the theory being true, it means a proposition based on physical evidence to explain some facts by logical inferences. There have been many theories throughout the history of science which looked good at the time which further progress has shown to be incorrect. Nonetheless, we can't go back and say that because they were incorrect they were not theories. So many many things that we now realized to be incorrect, incorrect theories, are nonetheless theories.
Above is the question posed to Behe and his complete answer to that question. He answered in the affirmitive, that according to his definition of ID, astrology would also be considered a scientific theory. Since this question was posed in the present, for Behe's definition of ID, he also answered in present comparative way for astrology. He never mentions has definition of a theory would apply to astrology as a scientific theory from a long time ago, he simply said; yes, that is correct.
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A Under my definition, a scientific theory is a proposed explanation which focuses or points to physical, observable data and logical inferences. There are many things throughout the history of science which we now think to be incorrect which nonetheless would fit that -- which would fit that definition. Yes, astrology is in fact one, and so is the ether theory of the propagation of light, and many other -- many other theories as well.
Yes, that's correct. And let me explain under my definition of the word "theory," it is -- a sense of the word "theory" does not include the theory being true, it means a proposition based on physical evidence to explain some facts by logical inferences. There have been many theories throughout the history of science which looked good at the time which further progress has shown to be incorrect. Nonetheless, we can't go back and say that because they were incorrect they were not theories. So many many things that we now realized to be incorrect, incorrect theories, are nonetheless theories.
Q Has there ever been a time when astrology has been accepted as a correct or valid scientific theory, Professor Behe?
Well, I am not a historian of science. And certainly nobody -- well, not nobody, but certainly the educated community has not accepted astrology as a science for a long long time. But if you go back, you know, Middle Ages and before that, when people were struggling to describe the natural world, some people might indeed think that it is not a priori -- a priori ruled out that what we -- that motions in the earth could affect things on the earth, or motions in the sky could affect things on the earth.
bshmte said:
Behe admitted that if ID was considered science, then astrology would also be considered science. This happened under oath and on the witness stand.
That is a misrepresentation of his words. Intelligent Design is a theory as is a multitude of theories out there, Astrology was once considered science and a theory that has now been shown incorrect. He never said that if ID was considered science, then astrology would also be considered science and it is totally shown in the transcript that he did not say that.
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After this exchange:
A Under my definition, a scientific theory is a proposed explanation which focuses or points to physical, observable data and logical inferences. There are many things throughout the history of science which we now think to be incorrect which nonetheless would fit that -- which would fit that definition. Yes, astrology is in fact one, and so is the ether theory of the propagation of light, and many other -- many other theories as well.
Yes, that's correct. And let me explain under my definition of the word "theory," it is -- a sense of the word "theory" does not include the theory being true, it means a proposition based on physical evidence to explain some facts by logical inferences. There have been many theories throughout the history of science which looked good at the time which further progress has shown to be incorrect. Nonetheless, we can't go back and say that because they were incorrect they were not theories. So many many things that we now realized to be incorrect, incorrect theories, are nonetheless theories.
Q Has there ever been a time when astrology has been accepted as a correct or valid scientific theory, Professor Behe?
Well, I am not a historian of science. And certainly nobody -- well, not nobody, but certainly the educated community has not accepted astrology as a science for a long long time. But if you go back, you know, Middle Ages and before that, when people were struggling to describe the natural world, some people might indeed think that it is not a priori -- a priori ruled out that what we -- that motions in the earth could affect things on the earth, or motions in the sky could affect things on the earth.
bshmte said:
Behe admitted that if ID was considered science, then astrology would also be considered science. This happened under oath and on the witness stand.
That is a misrepresentation of his words. Intelligent Design is a theory as is a multitude of theories out there, Astrology was once considered science and a theory that has now been shown incorrect. He never said that if ID was considered science, then astrology would also be considered science and it is totally shown in the transcript that he did not say that.
So ask Behe if he meant it would currently be a theory or in the past.
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