Evolution 101

[randman]

Zadok, tell me, do you believe in a right and wrong, and on what basis scientifically?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman
Zadok, tell me, do you believe in a right and wrong, and on what basis scientifically?

This seems like a huge jump off topic. Right and wrong are not really well suited to scientific analysis. (Although human ethical systems and their changes over time are.)

 

[randman]

Zadok brought up social darwinism, an ethical system, and thus the idea that science can be used to determine ethics for society.

So tell us. Is there a right and wrong?

What if Darwinism can claim a scientific basis for morality, but other systems of morality are not scientific and religiously based. In the future, it seems the logical stance of the evolutionist is to demand that only it's view of morality, social Darwinism be taught in the schools, and ideas of right and wrong be not taught since they are presumably fairy tales.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by randman
What if Darwinism can claim a scientific basis for morality, but other systems of morality are not scientific and religiously based. In the future, it seems the logical stance of the evolutionist is to demand that only it's view of morality, social Darwinism be taught in the schools, and ideas of right and wrong be not taught since they are presumably fairy tales.

Unless of course, the evolutionist is not a social darwinist. Of course, I would suggest that one keep science in the science classroom and try not to cloud it with unnecessary subjects.

 

[1GODALONE]

whether or not you think your right about evolution (good try!), the main idea here is where did EVERYTHING come from? "well i study evolution...the origin of SPECIES!".No, that doesnt cut it with me. what a load of garbage! think.. slowly.... now name to me one thing that is an absolute fact about evolution. and what do you have? probably some scientific Archeopteryx or lucy or abiogenisis or quantum physics assumtion right? yet you still have no explaination for how it all got here, do you? sorry evolution could still be proven to me. But there will never be proof to eliminate God.

 

[USincognito]

Read the FAQ and stop bumping threads from 2 years ago you newbies!!!

 

[L'Anatra]

whether or not you think your right about evolution (good try!), the main idea here is where did EVERYTHING come from? "well i study evolution...the origin of SPECIES!".No, that doesnt cut it with me. what a load of garbage! think.. slowly.... now name to me one thing that is an absolute fact about evolution. and what do you have? probably some scientific Archeopteryx or lucy or abiogenisis or quantum physics assumtion right? yet you still have no explaination for how it all got here, do you? sorry evolution could still be proven to me. But there will never be proof to eliminate God.

You're aware that it's been over two years since anyone has posted in this thread, aren't you?

Firstly, if you're referring to The Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin, I'd suggest actually reading it before you blast away. Evolution has nothing to do with where "everything came from," but rather where current species came from. That's it. In addition, abiogenesis and quantum physics have nothing to do with evolution. Nothing!

Science does not and can not eliminate God. Science does not deal with the supernatural. Also, science is not about proving anything true. The best we can expect is provisional truth. On the other hand, we can prove things absolutely false, since "true statements can not have false consequences." Not to take lucaspa's words, but they are the best way to describe the process.

Now, here are some facts: The Earth is 4.5 billion years old. Life has existed on Earth for at least 2 billion years. Major life forms now found on Earth did not exist in the past, while major life forms of the past are no longer extant. All existing life comes from previously existing life.

Good enough?

 

[Gracchus]

think.. slowly.... now name to me one thing that is an absolute fact about evolution. and what do you have? probably some scientific Archeopteryx or lucy or abiogenisis or quantum physics assumtion right?

How about this? Definition: Evolution is the change of allele frequency over time in a breeding population. That was a fact.

yet you still have no explaination for how it all got here, do you?

Is it better to have no explanation and be aware of that or to have the wrong one, and base your decisions on that?

sorry evolution could still be proven to me.

I doubt it.

But there will never be proof to eliminate God.

And if it were so, what would that have to do with this thread?

(Waves hands hypnotically.) "You will never forget this: {SCIENCE ~= ATHEISM}!"

 

[DJ_Ghost]

In the future, it seems the logical stance of the evolutionist is to demand that only it's view of morality, social Darwinism be taught in the schools, and ideas of right and wrong be not taught since they are presumably fairy tales.

Except of course that evolutionists are not necessarily social Darwinists at all. Infact very few people are these days. You are tying a biological theory (Evolution) to a sociological one (Social Darwinism). Whilst social Darwinism is named after Darwin, it does not follow that evolutionists would espouse its application to society.
It is not, as you claim, the morals of evolutionism it is an entirely separate theory based on the notion that if in nature only the fittest survive, and organisms adapt to best survive, then (social Darwinists argued*) societies will most probably follow the same pattern.

* I am using the past tense since there are very few Social Darwinists today.

Besides which social Darwinism has been on the downturn since the 1930s.

Ghost

 

[DJ_Ghost]

Oops. I had replied to randams post when I saw this thread on the first page, sorry folks I had not noticed that some one had necromanced it. Feel a bit daft now.

Ghost

 

[Mistermystery]

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