Evolution 101

[chickenman]

you didn't answer us very well at all, the artist analogy requires more "imagination" than observing the evolutionary progression in the fossil record

 

[LouisBooth]

"Hmm. So, why exactly did God make species that we've never seen except in fossils? Are you saying He lies to us?"

*chuckles* they die out...?

"Yay for a god who creates EVIL!!!"

wow...you're way off there buddy.

 

[Satoshi]

Amazing! It takes a handful of posters to object to randman's ideas, and he sweeps them all away with this gem:

Originally posted by randman
Yawn.

How could any of you doubt the Truth (TM) of randman's arguments now? I, personally, am in awe of randman's genius and efficiency.

 

[Satoshi]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Yay for a god who creates EVIL!!!"

wow...you're way off there buddy.

So...could you please offer an alternative explanation?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman
Yawn.

The old why did God argument. That's real scientific.
But I already answered you with the artist analogy.

So, God is a photorealist, who always makes each species at a time and place, and with genetic material, consistent with the theory of evolution?

It's weird, but I can't disprove it; I just see no reason to believe it.

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Hmm. So, why exactly did God make species that we've never seen except in fossils? Are you saying He lies to us?"

*chuckles* they die out...?

Before we ever see them, or describe anything like them? Given that adam named all the beasts, it seems a bit weird that Hebrew didn't have a word for "polor bear".

 

[LouisBooth]

"So...could you please offer an alternative explanation?"

Sure in another forum or in PM

 

[LouisBooth]

"Before we ever see them, or describe anything like them? "

maybe so. How do you know there weren't polar bears in the garden? It all changed after adam's sin, but this is off topic..so lets not go off on a tangent.

 

[randman]

The only reason it is consistent with evolutionary theory is due to the extreme elasticity of evolutionary theory. Think about what you wrote. You actually beleive that for God to create species in a time and place is evidence for evolution, that somehow God would not create in a time and place. One thing Genesis is clear on is that not all creatures wer e created at the same time.
As far as DNA, that gets into another thread, but you would expect living systems to be similar, and species farther apart in similarity to be farther apart genetically.

 

[Zadok]

As far as DNA, that gets into another thread, but you would expect living systems to be similar, and species farther apart in similarity to be farther apart genetically.

Last time I checked they were!!!

 

[chickenman]

but why the similarity in pseudogenes and junk DNA, they don't encode for functional genes, so what reason do they have for being so similar, and why is the pattern of similarity in this DNA exactly what we would predict from evolutionary theory.

 

[Zadok]

maybe so. How do you know there weren't polar bears in the garden? It all changed after adam's sin, but this is off topic..so lets not go off on a tangent.

Pure nonesense. This is a world where death and suffering are unavoidable needs. Not some fairy land where we frolocked hand in hand with flesh eating dinosaurs hippity hopping to through some magical garden into the great emerald city where we eat magic apples and converse with magical talking pythons.

 

[randman]

Zadok, duh! DNA is consistent with creationism.

"Before we ever see them, or describe anything like them? Given that adam named all the beasts, it seems a bit weird that Hebrew didn't have a word for "polor bear"."

Seebs, puulleeasssee, think before opeing mouth.

1. Who said Adam spoke Hebrew.
2. Some creationists, are you aware, do not believe polar bears existed at the same time as Adam but evolved (within a kind) from a parent species of bear on the Ark. I think you are just a little unaware of what creationists beleive.
I myself am not sure if YEC, or OEC, is correct, but as i was taught evolution, I generally stick to bashing that.

 

[LouisBooth]

good job Zadok, you get a gold star.

HOw about you go flame somemore over at where you came from?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by randman

2. Some creationists, are you aware, do not believe polar bears existed at the same time as Adam but evolved (within a kind) from a parent species of bear on the Ark. I think you are just a little unaware of what creationists beleive.
I myself am not sure if YEC, or OEC, is correct, but as i was taught evolution, I generally stick to bashing that.

Even though you clearly don't understand it.

OEC is just plain stupid. YEC is at least justifiable by faith, even if it's bad science. OEC is not even remotely plausible; sure, it *COULD* be true, but OEC is as plausible as Last-Tuesdayism.

 

[Zadok]

...but as i was taught evolution, I generally stick to bashing that.

And a fine job your doing (sarcasm)...

HOw about you go flame somemore over at where you came from?

I came from here, so i'll stick to flaming from here...

 

[Zadok]

A question for creationists...

Can you people logically, rationally explain where evil came from if the universe was created by a perfect all powerful, all loving god?

 

[seebs]

Originally posted by Zadok
A question for creationists...

Can you people logically, rationally explain where evil came from if the universe was created by a perfect all powerful, all loving god?

This is a question for general apologetics; it has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.

 

[randman]

Yep, we can. But I suggest you do some theological reading, and convince us you are sincere in wanting to understand theology in this area, and then summarize some explanations and then state why you disagree.

Then, we can help you.

 

[Zadok]

This is a question for general apologetics; it has nothing to do with evolution or creationism.

Really? It has everything to do with these topics. With this question we could drop into human psychology and the evolution therof. We can even drop into social darwinism and our animalistic behaviorism.