Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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Y-Chromosome Adam
Y-chromosomal Adam - Wikipedia

Patrilineal ancestry can be traced with the Y chromosome, which of course is passed down from father to son.

This one, though, appears to be a lot more difficult to trace genealogically, as opposed to mtdna. But, incredibly, geneticists concur that all humans alive
came from just one paternal ancestor.
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Prof. Steve Jones writes in his book
In the Blood: God, Genes and Destiny:

"The Y chromosomes of the world are remarkably similar, with only about one hundredth as much variation as on the other chromosomes. Mitochondria, in contrast, are quite variable.

This lack of diversity among male lineages suggests that their common ancestor lived so recently that there has not been time for his descendants’ Y chromosomes to accumulate differences. One estimate is of only 27,000 years before the present.

The last shared mitochondrial ancestor—Eve—may have lived tens of thousands of years before Adam,
the last universal forefather."
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(Keep in mind, however, the above paragraphs of
a mitochondrial Eve within the past 6,000 years.)

Jones claims that Y-chromosome Adam “almost certainly never met Eve.” And, from a biblical perspective, Jones is absolutely right—because Y-chromosome Adam would have been, in fact, Noah!

The Bible shows this clearly to have been the case.

 

[Semper-Fi]

All humans descended from Adam and Eve.

But only Noah, his wife, and his three sons and their wives survived the Great Flood (a “bottleneck” of sorts that, according to biblical chronology, happened around 4,500 years ago).

It is from Noah’s family that all humanity derives.
The closest common Y-chromosomal ancestor, then,
would be Noah, who passed on his “Ys” to his 3 sons.

But the mitochondrial Eve would have long predated this—the unique mitochondrial dna being carried on not from Noah’s wife, but from the sons’ wives, passed on to their [future daughters].

Sanford and Carter, when simply considering a “pure,”
current mutation rate without extraneous evolutionary assumptions:

"Today, the Y chromosomes of modern men are only about 300 mutations removed from Y-Chromosome Adam … if we assume a normal mutation rate for the Y chromosome (about 1 mutation per chromosome per generation), we would only need 300 generations (about 6,000 years) to get 300 mutations.

This is the most straightforward application of the molecular clock concept. The numbers are in perfect agreement with the biblical perspective.

However, in 100,000 years (the [young Adam] evolutionary perspective), we would expect about 100,000 mutational differences between modern men and Y-Chromosome Adam—about 333-fold more than is actually seen."

So Modern males are approximately 300 mutations away from Y-chromosome “Adam”; perhaps one mutation, maybe more, per generation. Modern females are up to 200 mutations away from mitochondrial Eve; perhaps 0.5 mutations, maybe slightly more or less, per generation."

The Case for Adam and Eve
The Case for Adam and Eve

 

[JacksBratt]

Did you not read my example of the metaphor with the "top dog"? Can't you see how questions of "why/how/when it happened" makes no sense to ask?

The only reason why you claim "I can't answer" is because you don't know the meaning of the word, therefore you can't determine when an answer is given. Why are you being so obnoxious that you refuse to look up the word "metaphor"?

Seriously... if you cannot grasp the difference between "Top Dog" and "There was evening, there was morning, the first day"... I really cannot have a conversation with you.

 

[JacksBratt]

You are the fools because you are simply pressing on your lack of academical knowledge and making your own claims that the Bible supports you when an amount of evidence and basic reasoning disputes you.

Who's evidence? What evidence?

Some bones, found in the ground... The ones that they, on a couple of occasions, filed teeth or put together parts of different creatures, in order to create a creature that is laughable... and was counted as a hoax by the courts of the day.

Or, faked a series of drawings of different embryos and presented them as fact, when they were clearly misrepresentations and were found to be false in a court of law?

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

The Case for Adam and Eve

So any particular reason this is not in scientific american or any peer reviewed research papers and why those people have not gotten their Noble prize for the most astounding discovery of human history ?

 

[JacksBratt]

By understanding that its not a scientific language, but the writers thought differently, like people in their era.

So, you need scientific language, other than "there was evening, there was morning, the first day", to indicate that it was an actual day?
What exactly would have had to been written for you to accept it? Seriously, what would you have had to have in scripture to believe it?

 

[JacksBratt]

So any particular reason this is not in scientific american or any peer reviewed research papers and why those people have not gotten their Noble prize for the most astounding discovery of human history ?

Probably because it is a huge "no no" to contradict the "force fed" concept of the hoax of "evolution" in the secular scientific world which is dominated and controlled by the atheistic, Darwinian, evolutionists.

Science no longer follows the observations and evidence to where it leads them... They have a predetermined false position and only accept observations that keep on the predetermined path to this false position.

In the film "Exodus, Patterns of Evidence", the investigators discover two "Ramses" who were Pharaohs.

When this discovery realigns the time line and leads to archeological discovery that proves that the Egyptian historical society is presenting incorrect facts... The curator of the association of Antiquities for Egypt states that "This new evidence, true or not, will not change what they present as fact" .

Do you understand what this guy is saying, on camera?

He will not change the false history that Egypt is presenting, in order for it to be actual true history... even when he was presented with factual evidence contrary to what they were teaching..

Just absurd. Don't ask for me to post the info on this... simply watch the movie and benefit from how they piece it all together.


A movie done by a Christian, in search of true history, who was hesitant to take on the project in case he could not find evidence of the Exodus and what that would do to his faith....Who finds closer to actual biblical accounts.

Much of his break through, by the way..was aided by an atheist.. who cracked the case.

A must see.

 

[JacksBratt]

Not sure why Eve should not be a real person, but taking her from one side of a man is not something you must believe to be literal. It represents something - closeness to man and primacy of man.

Your avitar says "Christian"

Do you take Christ's death and resurrection as "literal"? How about His healing of the soldiers ear in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Where do we stop? Some evidence, saves our souls. Other evidence does not and thus becomes "allegory" and allows atheistic Darwinian evolutionists to take a run against God.

 

[JacksBratt]

The first woman was made from the rib bone of the first man.We have the symbolism of the rib, being at the side of man.

That Scientists have discovered that if the perichondrium (the membrane covering the rib) is left in place, then the bone will actually regrow inside of it. The rib is the only known bone to do this.

Doctors use of rib bone in reconstructive surgery of damaged bone tissue in other parts of the body. Bone marrow is one of the key sources for stem cells. These are cells that can convert into all types of cells in the human body.

Thank you for these posts..

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Probably because it is a huge "no no" to contradict the "force fed" concept of the hoax of "evolution"

In science contradicting is fine but you need some proof of your own theories. They do not seem to add up in this case.

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

Thank you for these posts..

Group hug ?

 

[ExTiff]

Your avitar says "Christian"

Do you take Christ's death and resurrection as "literal"? How about His healing of the soldiers ear in the Garden of Gethsemane?

Where do we stop? Some evidence, saves our souls. Other evidence does not and thus becomes "allegory" and allows atheistic Darwinian evolutionists to take a run against God.

Such black white thinking proves that you do not understand alegory any better than the people who could not accept the parable of the sower. You need to get your mind conformed to Christ's. Phil.2:5, 1 Pet.4:1. Get your priorities into perspective, and discover truth. Jer.5:1.
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[JacksBratt]

In science contradicting is fine but you need some proof of your own theories. They do not seem to add up in this case.

You missed my point. If you present data, observations and evidence, that contradicts the predetermined "truth"... you will be discredited, condescended, lose your funding and basically ostracized from your field of expertise.......

And...

That's why you don't see the documentation that you are looking for.

Truth is no longer the goal.... Keeping God as a myth .... is.

 

[JacksBratt]

Group hug ?

Sorry...... did I offend you?

 

[JacksBratt]

Such black white thinking proves that you do not understand alegory any better than the people who could not accept the parable of the sower. You need to get your mind conformed to Christ's. Phil.2:5, 1 Pet.4:1. Get your priorities into perspective, and discover truth. Jer.5:1.
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Everything "proves" that I don't understand "allegory".... doesn't it?

You wear leather shoes = you don't understand allegory.
You eat meat.....= you don't understand allegory.
You drive an SUV = you don't understand allegory.

bla.... bla.... bla...

Sorry.. but YOU cannot accept the biblical facts.. so you MUST write it off as allegorical..

God could do it.

God said He did it..


God did it like He stated...


Move on..

 

[Jonathan Walkerin]

You missed my point. If you present data, observations and evidence, that contradicts the predetermined "truth"... you will be discredited, condescended, lose your funding and basically ostracized from your field of expertise.......

If that was true we would still believe sun was orbiting earth instead of the other way around.

Just like for Catholic church there comes a time when evidence against the Church`s teachings is overwhelmingly strong. That is when those teachings change instead of planetary orbits.

Well, for most people. Some people still think sun orbits earth that is flat.

 

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What do you need to explain?

Because the bible explained it..you denied it..so, what really happened?

 

[Archivist]

I meant believers in the bible and God of the bible. Today the word christian is meaningless. That includes believing in Jesus by the way, the Jesus I know created all things. The jesus that christian evos believe in is unknown to me...or the bible!

But I'm a believer in the Bible and in the God of the Bible. I just don't believe in a literal reading of Genesis.

 

[The Barbarian]

Oh? You know what they assumed...how?

Wise men from the east. So they were knowledgeable of astronomy, looking for signs. God would have given them a sign in a way they understood.



. They sure didn't find the house Jesus was in by assuming anything, they were led there. By the way the house was not in Bethlehem perhaps...

"Many commentators merely have Jesus staying in Bethlehem, but Dale suggests a better interpretation that fits with both the Matthew account and the Luke account.

(More revision of scripture)

Once you get started changing the Bible, it's hard to stop, isn't it?

 

[The Barbarian]

Only in your mind does reason or evidence dispute God's word.

And yet you dispute both.