Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

[The Barbarian]

He was in error. Theologians have show it to be possible.

I have you on one hand, and Augustine and the Bible on the other. Not much of a choice, really.

One thing though, He didn't believe in evolutionism.

How could he? "Evolutionism" wasn't invented until the 20th century by YECs. However, Augustine was well aware that scripture indicates a continuing creation from the beginning:

Saint Augustine (353-430) painted an even clearer picture. He taught that the original germs of living things came in two forms, one placed by the Creator in animals and plants, and a second variety scattered throughout the environment, destined to become active only under the right conditions.

He said that the Biblical account of the Creation should not be read as literally occupying six days, but six units of time, while the passage `In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth' should be interpreted:

As if this were the seed of the heaven and the earth, although as yet all the matter of heaven and of earth was in confusion; but because it was certain that from this the heaven and the earth would be, therefore the material itself is called by that name.

Augustine likens the Creation to the growth of a tree from its seed, which has the potential to become a tree, but does so only through a long, slow process, in accordance with the environment in which it finds itself.

God created the potential for the heavens and earth, and for life, but the details worked themselves out in accordance with the laws laid down by God, on this picture.

It wasn't necessary for God to create each individual species (let alone each individual living thing) in the process called Special Creation. Instead, the Creator provided the seeds of the Universe and of life, and let them develop in their own time.

Despite your claim that Protestants, Caltholics, and Eastern Othodox all consider him to be one of the great Christian theologians.

It's just a fact.

 

[The Barbarian]

He was in error. Theologians have show it to be possible.

No, it is logically absurd to imagine mornings and evenings in the absence of a sun. You'd have to change the meanings of words to get there.

One thing though, He didn't believe in evolutionism.

How could he have? Evolutionism was invented by YEC in the 20th century, it's just the collection of misconceptions YECs have about God and creation.

Genesis was written for simple slave people.

Nonsense. Most Jews at the time were literate and most were free.

A fifth grader can understand Genesis.

As written. You crank it up some kind of science text. You ignore the message and natter about the details.

If God used evolution why not simply say so?

If God used atoms, why not simply say so? If God used DNA, why not simply say so? You still don't get it. You're ignoring what He's telling you, and put out because He didn't write a treatise in biology.

But we can observe evolution directly. We know that man evolved from other primates. We know there are atoms and DNA, even if God didn't tell us all these things.

 

[dad]

With your wrong reading of Genesis you will be isolated more and more until you end up in some small cult or sect similar to SDA or JW's

Thanks for the prophesy. Actually all people on earth will agree with God soon. Nomienism will be extinct.

 

[dad]

You do realize that both Adam and Eve are Hebrew names, right? So these names were attributed to these persons much later.

You realize God spoke to Moses, right, and knew all about Hebrew?

Oh, yeah, I know... you will invent a theory that people in Eden spoke relatively modern Hebrew. Another weird thing into your puzzle of wrong readings.

No. But God was there at Eden and there with Moses, and He knew what was what. The lat thing anyone on earth needs is someone that does not even believe the story trying to tell us what God reaaallllly means.

Or, did Elen White already tell you so in her books?

Genesis was written long before whoever that is.

Now you can answer a few questions.

If there was no real man named Adam, who was formed directly by God from the dust of the earth, then how did sin get in the world. The bible says it came through him.

 

[dad]

But I'm a believer in the Bible and in the God of the Bible. I just don't believe in a literal reading of Genesis.

Neither did the serpent. He told the woman you think never really existed that God did not reaaallllly mean what He said and that He was just trying to keep them from the goodies. So he believed in the God of the bible. He just did not agree with what God really meant in Genesis!

 

[dad]

Wise men from the east. So they were knowledgeable of astronomy, looking for signs. God would have given them a sign in a way they understood.

Sure, with the house address and apt number and street etc. Very funny.

Once you get started changing the Bible, it's hard to stop, isn't it?

So you think the bible says the wise men came to Bethlehem? Chapter and verse?

 

[dad]

And yet you dispute both.

Show how I dispute the bible!? As for evidence, well I think I know you cannot distinguish between evidence and religious beliefs.

 

[Archivist]

Neither did the serpent. He told the woman you think never really existed that God did not reaaallllly mean what He said and that He was just trying to keep them from the goodies. So he believed in the God of the bible. He just did not agree with what God really meant in Genesis!

But I do believe what God really meant in Genesis. God meant it to be an allegory and I believe that.

 

[dad]

No, it is logically absurd to imagine mornings and evenings in the absence of a sun. You'd have to change the meanings of words to get there.

Since the word was used before there was a sun, no meanings need changing.

Evolutionism was invented by YEC in the 20th century, it's just the collection of misconceptions YECs have about God and creation.

The theory of evolution is what some refer to in slang as evolutionism, evo, evilution or some such. That was invented by demon possessed people long before the twentieth century. It is a doctrine of devils that denies the creation of God. If the people like Darwin were not demon possessed they were certainly heavily demon influenced. They had a hot line to hell.

If God used atoms, why not simply say so?

All things includes all things big and small.

But we can observe evolution directly.

You observe already created derivatives of created kinds adapting and evolving. There is no connection to evolution of life on earth. That is just watching creation in action!

We know that man evolved from other primates.

We know that it is a lie that man evolved from any other kind of creature.

 

[dad]

But I do believe what God really meant in Genesis. God meant it to be an allegory and I believe that.

The people (like Jesus) referring to Adam and Eve in the rest of the bible then were either mistaken badly, or 'really' trying to say they never reaaaallly existed!?

So how about sin entering the world through the actions of this first created man, is that unreal also?

 

[Archivist]

Are you a rookie?

I made a link. All you had to do was click on it. I don't really expect an answer from you.

Except the link isn't in your earlier post 624. Perhaps one of us is a rookie, but it isn't me.

 

[Archivist]

The people (like Jesus) referring to Adam and Eve in the rest of the bible then were either mistaken badly, or 'really' trying to say they never reaaaallly existed!?

So how about sin entering the world through the actions of this first created man, is that unreal also?

I've already addressed how sin entered the world. Asking the same question over and over doesn't do you any good.

 

[dad]

I've already addressed how sin entered the world. Asking the same question over and over doesn't do you any good.

I missed it. Ashamed to simply say it here?

 

[The Barbarian]

Since the word was used before there was a sun, no meanings need changing.

There were humans before there was a sun? C'mon. Do you even think about what you write?

The theory of evolution is what some refer to in slang as evolutionism

No. Evolutionism is to evolution, what YEC is to creation; a collection of misconceptions unrelated to the real thing.

That was invented by demon possessed people long before the twentieth century.

No. Seventh-Day Adventists aren't "demon possessed", and they invented it in the 20th century.

It is a doctrine of devils that denies the creation of God.

YEC does deny the creation of God, but it's not a doctrine of devils; it's just man's attempt to make scripture more comfortable to him.

If the people like Darwin were not demon possessed they were certainly heavily demon influenced. They had a hot line to hell.

I notice Darwin's belief that God created the first living things. He opposed slavery, praised kindness to others, and was scrupulously honest in his life. If you think that's being "heavily demon influenced", then we've found the problem.

Instead of fighting what God has done, why not just make your peace with Him, and let it be His way?

 

[Archivist]

I missed it. Ashamed to simply say it here?

Why would I be ashamed to say it? Are you always so rude? Didn't your mother teach you manners?

Yes, sin entered to world. We don't know exactly how, but it did. That is part of the Genesis allegory.

 

[Cis.jd]

Who's evidence? What evidence?

Some bones, found in the ground... The ones that they, on a couple of occasions, filed teeth or put together parts of different creatures, in order to create a creature that is laughable... and was counted as a hoax by the courts of the day.

Or, faked a series of drawings of different embryos and presented them as fact, when they were clearly misrepresentations and were found to be false in a court of law?

I've already presented links to Protestant and catholic sites, next your rejection of evidence for Evolution is coming from your disinterest in doing actual research.
Look at the fossils of animals such as Rhinos, sharks, and various birds that date more than 1k years ago, why are the frames and skeletal structures so different from the ones now yet they contain the same form of DNA? You are just randomly going "no evidence" with out any knowledge of what you are talking about.

Going back to the sites i've posted, this shows that Genesis' creation being metaphorical and not something to be taken as a complete scientific document is accepted by every thinking chritian. If your claims of "what God's word says" is that easily refuted by evidence and just simple reasoning, then it is obviously fallible, hence not being God's word but you applying your lack of knowledge.

 

[dad]

There were humans before there was a sun?

It was not humans that said there was morning and evening before the sun. Focus.

No. Evolutionism is to evolution, what YEC is to creation; a collection of misconceptions unrelated to the real thing.

No. It is slang for a demon doctrine, and whether everyone that uses that vernacular knows the actual (ever changing) depths of the delusionary fable or not is beside the point.

No. Seventh-Day Adventists aren't "demon possessed", and they invented it in the 20th century.

The theory of evolution actually was not related to those folks that I have heard.

YEC does deny the creation of God,

How do people who believe in a young earth do that exactly?

I notice Darwin's belief that God created the first living things.

Irrelevant as the God of the bible created many first living things including man.

He opposed slavery, praised kindness to others, and was scrupulously honest in his life. If you think that's being "heavily demon influenced", then we've found the problem.

The proof is in the pudding. False teachers and prophets do not get a pass just because they have some good deeds in life also.

Instead of fighting what God has done, why not just make your peace with Him, and let it be His way?

What He has done He told us about. The sort of unbelieving nonsense some preach like that there was no real Eve that God created from the man Adam is not 'what God has done'.

 

[dad]

Why would I be ashamed to say it? Are you always so rude? Didn't your mother teach you manners?

Yes, sin entered to world. We don't know exactly how, but it did. That is part of the Genesis allegory.

Wow. So the folks who were inspired of God that said it entered through one real man cannot be believed!? It got here some other unknown way!?

 

[Cis.jd]

Seriously... if you cannot grasp the difference between "Top Dog" and "There was evening, there was morning, the first day"... I really cannot have a conversation with you.

Wow, you are so narrow minded. I bet you just noticed "dog" in that analogy and then thought "hey, the bible has day... two different things!". You know that the term "top-dog" isn't literal because factually humans are not dogs.. likewise with certain things in genesis, we can identify that certain descriptions are not literal because factually incorrect if taken literal. LOL You cna't even understand a simple analogy.

 

[dad]

If your claims of "what God's word says" is that easily refuted by evidence and just simple reasoning, then it is obviously fallible, hence not being God's word but you applying your lack of knowledge.

So your tree rather than God's word in Genesis is to be desired to make one wise!? Interesting.