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Eve came from Adam, evolution does not allow this

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Yes, fish are mortal too.
How about a list of words from Genesis that you folks have removed all literal meaning!?

Here are some words, you tell us what was really there

ark
trees
river
garden
Eve
Adam
Enoch walking with God and never dying
serpent
curse

I won't add 'dust' because you guys already said dust really means mortality!
 
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What do you need to explain?
How about how a woman who never really existed ate an apple or fruit that never really existed after being conned by a possessed serpent creature that never really existed actually fell!?
 
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Not sure why Eve should not be a real person, but taking her from one side of a man is not something you must believe to be literal. It represents something - closeness to man and primacy of man.
So there was a real first woman, God just had it wrong that He took her from the man. This woman was actually produced by evolution.....right?
 
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How about a list of words from Genesis that you folks have removed all literal meaning!?

Here are some words, you tell us what was really there

ark
trees
river
garden
Eve
Adam
Enoch walking with God and never dying
serpent
curse
Its not "we must read everything literally" vs "we cannot read anything literally".

When we see a clear symbolism usual for people of that time, there it is a very probably not literal.

But we do not need to say "everything is just a symbol", Garden, Eve, Adam, Enoch, river, ark... could existed as real places and persons.
 
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So there was a real first woman, God just had it wrong that He took her from the man. This woman was actually produced by evolution.....right?
Again, you are reading the text totally wrong. You read it "this is a scientific technical record what happened, God used his own material hands, took literal dust from ground, did a statue, then with his literal mouth breathe literal oxygen of life..."

Therefore even your questions about it are wrong.

You:
a) lose all meaning of the text, because you lose its symbolism
b) get everything technically wrong and then you have to argue with both Christians and scientists about it
 
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Its not "we must read everything literally" vs "we cannot read anything literally".

When we see a clear symbolism usual for people of that time, there it is a very probably not literal.

But we do not need to say "everything is just a symbol", Garden, Eve, Adam, Enoch, river, ark... could existed as real places and persons.

Could have? So maybe Enoch never lived maybe he did? Some woman named Eve lived, but she was not taken from Adam...she really was basically monkey spawn?
 
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Only in your mind does reason or evidence dispute God's word.
More like your bad and feeble minded interpretation of God's word.


Believe what you like, we already had a sample of what you believe.
So in other words, you don't have any apologists or theologian references for any of your arguments, the "only bible believers" is something you made up just to give yourself some credibility.
 
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More like your bad and feeble minded interpretation of God's word.
I don't have a bad and feeble interpretation of evidences so I have no such problem with God's word. I have no need to do mental doubting gymnastics to explain away God creating Eve for example, or what dust is etc etc etc.

So in other words, you don't have any apologists or theologian references for any of your arguments, the "only bible believers" is something you made up just to give yourself some credibility.
In other words if you do not realize most churches are in apostasy it is not worth discussing.
 
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In other words if you do not realize most churches are in apostasy it is not worth discussing.
With your wrong reading of Genesis you will be isolated more and more until you end up in some small cult or sect similar to SDA or JW's
 
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Could have? So maybe Enoch never lived maybe he did? Some woman named Eve lived, but she was not taken from Adam...she really was basically monkey spawn?
You do realize that both Adam and Eve are Hebrew names, right? So these names were attributed to these persons much later.

Oh, yeah, I know... you will invent a theory that people in Eden spoke relatively modern Hebrew. Another weird thing into your puzzle of wrong readings.

Or, did Elen White already tell you so in her books?
 
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How could the ancients know we do come from the elements of the earth ?

How could the ancients have known about the rib bone ?
God used the specific bone that would regenerate itself.

How did they know snakes as starting out with legs, before being condemned, “broken dna,” to just slither along the ground ?
 
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The first two human beings God created, Adam and Eve (c. 6,000 years ago) in biblical chronology.

Adam, created from the dust of the ground.

The human body is made up of 25 elements, every one
essential for human life, all found in the Earth’s soil.

According to biblical chronology, that "man came from the dust of the ground" was “penned” at the hand of Moses some c. 3,400 years ago. Yet it wasn’t until 1982, when it was confirmed that every element in man is found in the soil.
 
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"For Adam was first formed, then Eve".
Dust of the Ground, Bone of my Bones

The first woman was made from the rib of the first man.The components needed to make Eve were already in Adam’s cells.

All humans have 46 chromosomes, but sex is determined by only two of them – called X and Y. Males have one X and one Y.

Females have two Xs, the other 44 chromosomes are
called autosomes, and are the same in males and females

Males need one X to live, and the Y for male reproductive functions. Females need two X’s for female reproductive functions.

To make female cells from male cells, God had all the
different kinds of chromosomes he needed. All He had
to do is take out the Y and duplicate the X.

Adam and Eve were separate, unique creations, with Adam being fully male and Eve being fully female. God did not need to create any new material to make Eve, nor was Eve simply a clone of Adam, she was a creation of God, different but still one flesh with Adam.
 
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The first woman was made from the rib bone of the first man.We have the symbolism of the rib, being at the side of man.

That Scientists have discovered that if the perichondrium (the membrane covering the rib) is left in place, then the bone will actually regrow inside of it. The rib is the only known bone to do this.

Doctors use of rib bone in reconstructive surgery of damaged bone tissue in other parts of the body. Bone marrow is one of the key sources for stem cells. These are cells that can convert into all types of cells in the human body.
 
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The Case for Adam and Eve

Eve: The mother of all living humans in the bible.
The Bible dates Adam and Eve to just under 6000 years.

"And Adam called his wife's name Eve;
because she was the mother of all living."

In science Meet Mitochondrial Eve
Mitochondrial Eve - Wikipedia

In human genetics, the Mitochondrial Eve (also mt-Eve, mt-MRCA) is the matrilineal most recent common ancestor(MRCA) of all currently living humans, i.e., the most recent woman from whom all living humans descend in an unbroken line purely through their mothers, and through the mothers of those mothers, back until all lines converge on one woman.

All human beings contain mitochondrial dna (mtdna).
However, it is only passed on through the female egg.
So while a son and daughter receive mitochondria from the mother, only the daughter will pass it on to her descendants.

So when did she live? For mitochondrial Eve, she’s placed anywhere between 50,000 and 500,000 years ago. So a median 200,000 years is the generally settled-upon date.

It’s based on mutations—how long it took for different females’ mtdna to mutate and diverge away from the original central mitochondrial Eve mtdna sequence.

It is based on a theoretical application of the molecular clock concept: Geneticists use this for both dating human and animal evolution, working from the assumption that the mutation of mtdna is constant (although, what is “constant” is speculative in and of itself).

But here we have Admission by evolutionary scientists that all humans descended from just one woman, c. 200,000 years ago.

According to the evolutionary theory, the “earliest hu-
mans” are believed to have emerged 2.5 million years ago.
 
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The Serpent

What about the Genesis 3 account of the serpent in the garden? The animal form that Satan took on in order to deceive Eve.

God told the serpent after Adam and Eve ate of the tree “Upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life”

yes that Scientists have discovered that snakes did indeed once have legs
Snakes Used to Have Legs and Arms … Until These Mutations Happened

Fossils show this—and even today, boas and pythons exhibit vestigial “leg spurs” and still have the embedded gene for regrowing the limbs.

A mutation in the “enhancer” which activates the gene,
prevents it from being in the “on” position.
Why Snakes Don't Have Legs (For Now)

Geneticist Axel Visel stated “[O]ne of many com-ponents of the dna instructions needed for making limbs in snakes, it’s broken.”

Did God just break the gene for legs to not work right ?
 
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How could the ancients know we do come from the elements of the earth ?
They had only three options - earth, waters and heaven. For them it was obvious that we live on earth, therefore we are of earth.

How could the ancients have known about the rib bone ?
For example wounds in wars.

But it should be translated as side, not as a rib.

God used the specific bone that would regenerate itself.
:D yes, thats certainly the point of a woman being one half of man. In other words, how to lose all message in real Genesis and create a useless one.

How did they know snakes as starting out with legs, before being condemned, “broken dna,” to just slither along the ground ?
Because snakes still have vestigial legs, the only thing needed for them to guess that was to see a snake.
 
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In Light of Genetics…Adam, Eve, and the Creation/Fall
Dr. John C. Sanford and Dr. Robert Carter
https://docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/a704d4_f5f5f851384f4767889ad115b1e52f65.pdf

67 "We found that the average human being is only about 22 mutations removed from the Eve sequence, although some individuals are as much as 100 mutations removed from Eve" (Figure 11).
"The most recent estimate of the mutation rate in human mitochondria is about 0.5 per generation.

68 Thus, even for the mostmutated sequences, it would only require 200 generations (less than 6,000 years) to accumulate 100 mutations."
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The Case for Adam and Eve

"According to Sanford and Carter, if we are to abide by a reasonable mutational clock, our mitochondrial Eve easily dates back within 6,000 years—the exact biblical time frame for mother Eve.

That’s not to say, though, that mitochondrial Eve has to strictly be Eve herself: mtdna merely points to the most recent common female ancestor, and it could potentially have been one of Eve’s daughters or later female descendants.

The main point is that this single common female ancestor fits squarely within the biblical time frame for Adam and Eve, thus remarkably corroborating the biblical account."
 
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More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks
More Fluctuations Found in Isotopic Clocks

"Age-dating a rock using its radioactive isotopes only works by assuming that the rate at which that "clock" ticks was constant in the past and essentially identical to that in the present.

Not long ago, scientists discovered excess helium in crystals1 and "orphaned" polonium radiohalos,2 both of which imply that the decay rates of isotopes commonly used to date earth rocks were dramatically accelerated in the past.

Even today, researchers are finding small but significant changes in isotope decay rates, and these add credibility to the idea that isotopic processes were once very different from today's processes."
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Radiometric Dating
Radiometric Dating | The Institute for Creation Research

Fluctuations Show Radioisotope Decay Is Unreliable
Fluctuations Show Radioisotope Decay Is Unreliable
 
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