Eschatological and Millennial Theories and their problems.

[Dave L]

You have made an assumption based on your private opinion without any supporting explanation using any scripture to support your supposition - which leads to a misunderstanding of other scripture verses - ALL scripture fits together , not just some or most , ALL of it ties together

You can resolve this by simply quoting any scripture that mentions a pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib "rapture".

 

[seventysevens]

You can resolve this by simply quoting any scripture that mentions a pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib "rapture".

You can quote scripture that actually supports what you suppose -
First you Must understand what a rapture is designed to do , as in why there will be one

 

[Dave L]

You can quote scripture that actually supports what you suppose -
First you Must understand what a rapture is designed to do , as in why there will be one

If the "pre-trib Rapture" is biblical, it should have scripture directly supporting it. And no such scripture exists.

 

[seventysevens]

If the "pre-trib Rapture" is biblical, it should have scripture directly supporting it. And no such scripture exists.

IF what you say is biblical there should be scripture to support it , and no such scripture or relevant teaching of what you say exists at all ,
Verse 18 , Paul said to take comfort in what he said - do you understand why he said that ? apparently not

you obviously do not have any understanding of WHY there will be a rapture - for what the purpose of it is for.
The literal definition is a 'snatching away , with sudden violent force , being unexpected , you don't understand why a rapture will happen

 

[Dave L]

IF what you say is biblical there should be scripture to support it , and no such scripture or relevant teaching of what you say exists at all ,
Verse 18 , Paul said to take comfort in what he said - do you understand why he said that ? apparently not

you obviously do not have any understanding of WHY there will be a rapture - for what the purpose of it is for.
The literal definition is a 'snatching away , with sudden violent force , being unexpected , you don't understand why a rapture will happen

You need to prove your claim. I can only say no scripture exists backing your claim about a "pre-trib Rapture".

 

[seventysevens]

You need to prove your claim. I can only say no scripture exists backing your claim about a "pre-trib Rapture".

I asked you to prove your claim - but you refuse to do so - as I said your claim is just your opinion and not supported by scripture - Now you are avoiding it and dancing around it
IF you understood why a rapture happens then you would know why your claim is wrong,

IF what you say is biblical there should be scripture to support it , and no such scripture or relevant teaching of what you say exists at all ,
Verse 18 , Paul said to take comfort in what he said - do you understand why he said that ? apparently not

you obviously do not have any understanding of WHY there will be a rapture - for what the purpose of it is for.
The literal definition is a 'snatching away , with sudden violent force , being unexpected , you don't understand why a rapture will happen

 

[Dave L]

I asked you to prove your claim - but you refuse to do so - as I said your claim is just your opinion and not supported by scripture - Now you are avoiding it and dancing around it
IF you understood why a rapture happens then you would know why your claim is wrong,

IF what you say is biblical there should be scripture to support it , and no such scripture or relevant teaching of what you say exists at all ,
Verse 18 , Paul said to take comfort in what he said - do you understand why he said that ? apparently not

you obviously do not have any understanding of WHY there will be a rapture - for what the purpose of it is for.
The literal definition is a 'snatching away , with sudden violent force , being unexpected , you don't understand why a rapture will happen

I prove my claim by the fact you cannot produce scripture to prove a "pre-trib Rapture". It's that simple.

 

[seventysevens]

I prove my claim by the fact you cannot produce scripture to prove a "pre-trib Rapture". It's that simple.

Obviously you have no clue whatsoever
You do not know Why there is a rapture -REGARDLESS of when - if it was so simple you could answer the question that has been asked of you several times

 

[Dave L]

Obviously you have no clue whatsoever
You do not know Why there is a rapture -REGARDLESS of when - if it was so simple you could answer the question that has been asked of you several times

The "Pre-Trib Rapture" has no scriptural support or you would have provided it by now. Even the hardcore Rapturists at DTS admit no direct scriptural proof exists. It is a contrived doctrine, purely man made.

 

[seventysevens]

what you might call a "Rapture"

Might call a rapture ?
Obviously you have no clue what a rapture is or why it is

Why won't you provide scripture to back up your claim ?

 

[Dave L]

Might call a rapture ?
Obviously you have no clue what a rapture is or why it is

As explained in chapter 83, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin translation of the Greek for “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Strictly speaking, in this text it relates only to the change in living believers at the time of Christ’s return. However, the label, Rapture, usually refers both to the translation of living believers from earthly mortality to heavenly immortality and to the resurrection of the corrupted bodies of believers to heavenly incorruption.

Ryrie, C. C. (1999). Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth (p. 557). Chicago, IL: Moody Press.

“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

This happens AFTER the resurrection.

 

[seventysevens]

The "Pre-Trib Rapture" has no scriptural support or you would have provided it by now. Even the hardcore Rapturists at DTS admit no direct scriptural proof exists. It is a contrived doctrine, purely man made.

False , since you are backed into a corner showing you simply make accusations that you have no evidence to bacl up yopur false claim you resort to folly

 

[Dave L]

False , since you are backed into a corner showing you simply make accusations that you have no evidence to bacl up yopur false claim you resort to folly

You cannot produce scripture to back your claim. I can only point this out in proving mine. No scripture describes a "pre-trib Rapture".

 

[seventysevens]

As explained in chapter 83, the word “rapture” comes from the Latin translation of the Greek for “caught up” in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. Strictly speaking, in this text it relates only to the change in living believers at the time of Christ’s return. However, the label, Rapture, usually refers both to the translation of living believers from earthly mortality to heavenly immortality and to the resurrection of the corrupted bodies of believers to heavenly incorruption.

Ryrie, C. C. (1999). Basic Theology: A Popular Systematic Guide to Understanding Biblical Truth (p. 557). Chicago, IL: Moody Press.

“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be suddenly caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–17)

This happens AFTER the resurrection.

Harpazo is the original Greek word in scripture which was translated into Latin as raperium , rapiemur . rapio and then translated into English as rapture , they all mean the same thing referring to the sudden unexpected snatching away, catching away ,caught away suddenly by force and taken to another location

St. Jerome translated the Geek verb harpazo that Paul uses in 1 Thess 4:17 into the latin verb rapiemur and later on that latin verb was translated into the English as “caught up” or “caught away”

In verse 18 we are to take comfort with the words he is teaching
You have NO idea why Paul say to take comfort - NONE

 

[Dave L]

Harpazo is the original Greek word in scripture which was translated into Latin as raperium , rapiemur . rapio and then translated into English as rapture , they all mean the same thing referring to the sudden unexpected snatching away, catching away ,caught away suddenly by force and taken to another location

St. Jerome translated the Geek verb harpazo that Paul uses in 1 Thess 4:17 into the latin verb rapiemur and later on that latin verb was translated into the English as “caught up” or “caught away”

In verse 18 we are to take comfort with the words he is teaching
You have NO idea why Paul say to take comfort - NONE

It still remains: no scripture directly supports the "pre-trib rapture" theory.

 

[seventysevens]

Strong’s Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad’-zo)
Definition: I seize, snatch,
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).

 

[Dave L]

Strong’s Concordance
harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away
Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad’-zo)
Definition: I seize, snatch,
HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).

“For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, the believers who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Then we will be with the Lord forever. So encourage each other with these words.” (1 Thessalonians 4:16–18)

 

[seventysevens]

It still remains: no scripture directly supports the "pre-trib rapture" theory.

It require a full understanding of ALL Scripture which means you need to study it - it is like the difference between simple math as in 2 + 2 = 4 ... and 1(a/b - f/c)-(t * y) x (15 *m)

 

[Dave L]

It require a full understanding of ALL Scripture which means you need to study it - it is like the difference between simple math as in 2 + 2 = 4 ... and 1(a/b - f/c)-(t * y) x (15 *m)

It still remains, you cannot prove your theory from any direct quotes from scripture.

 

[seventysevens]

It still remains, you cannot prove your theory from any direct quotes from scripture.

I can but it requires showing many scriptures -
BUT you continue to avoid proving YOUR claim
What you fail to do is PROVE YOUR Claim and you know you can't so you do the dance - typical of people that don't understand - just kick what you don't understand - make claims you can't support