Escaping the Great Tribulation?

[miknik5]

My comment

The only individuals who will be protected from the wiles of the tribulation are the 144000 of Israel ..... no others .... these have a specific purpose

And these with be the first [fruits] believers of the tribulation period .... these will be sealed for protection to carry the gospel first to Israel and then to the nations during the period [Revelation 7:1-8; 9:4; 14:1-7]

There will be no protection for any others who will become believers during tribulation .... most will be killed for their faith [Revelation 13:7; 14:13] .... those who survive will be separated out and will enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom as mortals [Matthew 25:31-46]

So the logic in the above post is not correct

Check yourself out because you should not be refuting the Lord's promise to keep His true ecclesia away from His coming wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]



You do not have comprehensive scriptural support for your position and I would suggest to you that some one has misled you on the matter

Their specific purpose is to preach the GOSPEL...
And their witness will be so profound to the Jews because they are like "Paul multiplied"...

They will connect all of THE OT showing that all of THE WORD of GOD pointed to CHRIST...

There will be a harvest who will believe...and yes, I do believe that many will be killed who hold to the Testimony of JESUS...but remember, the WORD of GOD says of these that they did not love their lives even to the death but held to the TESTIMONY of JESUS.
And what does THE SPIRIT say:
Blessed are those who die in the LORD from now on.
Yes, for their works will proceed them

Do you know what their "works" were?
They held during such a time of tribulation to THE TESTIMONY and had to suffer for THAT TESTIMONY.

 

[miknik5]

The GOSPEL will be preached.
It will be preached by men
It will be preached by the Jewish Remnant
It will be preached by the two heavenly witnesses
And finally by angels...

Then the end will come...
and with it, the year of GOD'S FAVOR...and the day of vengeance of OUR GOD.


They are the firstfruits...for the last shall be first...and they have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION along with their gentile believing brothers and sisters...

 

[miknik5]

My comment

The only individuals who will be protected from the wiles of the tribulation are the 144000 of Israel ..... no others .... these have a specific purpose

And these with be the first [fruits] believers of the tribulation period .... these will be sealed for protection to carry the gospel first to Israel and then to the nations during the period [Revelation 7:1-8; 9:4; 14:1-7]

There will be no protection for any others who will become believers during tribulation .... most will be killed for their faith [Revelation 13:7; 14:13] .... those who survive will be separated out and will enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom as mortals [Matthew 25:31-46]

So the logic in the above post is not correct

Check yourself out because you should not be refuting the Lord's promise to keep His true ecclesia away from His coming wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]

You do not have comprehensive scriptural support for your position and I would suggest to you that some one has misled you on the matter

However, you must choose your preference just as all men must do

Two resurrections
Blessed are those who have a part in the FIRST RESURRECTION...

 

[miknik5]

My comment

The only individuals who will be protected from the wiles of the tribulation are the 144000 of Israel ..... no others .... these have a specific purpose

And these with be the first [fruits] believers of the tribulation period .... these will be sealed for protection to carry the gospel first to Israel and then to the nations during the period [Revelation 7:1-8; 9:4; 14:1-7]

There will be no protection for any others who will become believers during tribulation .... most will be killed for their faith [Revelation 13:7; 14:13] .... those who survive will be separated out and will enter the Lord's coming millennial kingdom as mortals [Matthew 25:31-46]

So the logic in the above post is not correct

Check yourself out because you should not be refuting the Lord's promise to keep His true ecclesia away from His coming wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]


You do not have comprehensive scriptural support for your position and I would suggest to you that some one has misled you on the matter

However, you must choose your preference just as all men must do

If you are alive at the time your fate will be one of these two options .... Revelation 3:10, or Revelation 3:9-15

If you pick the second, you will enter the tribulation unsealed .... unless you are one of the selected 144000 of the tribes of Israel

Sir, CHRIST'S forewarning in Revelation 1-3 is to HIS believing BODY to overcome...
If we are not going to be persecuted and hated for HIS NAME, there would have been NO NEED for HIM to forewarn HIS BODY to overcome.

 

[Straightshot]

The first type of resurrection is the one to immortality and eternal life

.... and there are three of these scheduled, the pre-tribulation, for the martyrs at the end of the tribulation, and the Lord's two prophets at the end of the period [Revelation 3:10; 6:9-11; 11:11-12]

There is only one type of resurrection to the second death of a man's spirit scheduled [Revelation 20:11-15]

 

[Straightshot]

Sir, CHRIST'S forewarning in Revelation 1-3 is to HIS believing BODY to overcome...
If we are not going to be persecuted and hated for HIS NAME, there would have been NO NEED for HIM to forewarn HIS BODY to overcome


Wrong .... if you are a believer in Jesus Christ you have no need to receive His wrath and coming judgment which will be for and unbelieving world [1 Thessalonians 5:1-9; Revelation 3:10]

Going through His coming time of wrath to be persecuted is not a requirement for your salvation or anyone for that matter

There have been many save and now dead who will never experience His coming wrath .... so your logic does not compute

Experiencing the coming tribulation is not a requirement for your salvation, so someone is misleading you ... if you belong to a religious organization that teaches law keeping for one to be saved .... leave it

 

[Charlie24]

CHRIST came to bring the New Covenant to ONLY the Jews?
No.
The Covenant is by HIS BLOOD.

HE simply was the TRUE PASSOVER who marks the "houses" of those by HIS BLOOD.
There was always ONE TRUE PASSOVER sir...one taking out of "egypt" and bringing into "ISRAEL (that is the TRUE ISRAEL which is HIS SON) one set apart/covenanted/marked people called by HIS NAME...

I'm not trying to be rude miknik5 when I say your theology is seriously flawed.

Jesus said in Matt. 15:24,
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Brother, you are struggling to understand the plan of God from the foundation of the world.

The church is Gods second choice! His first choice was His chosen people, Israel. It was Israel that God chose to take the Gospel to the world, but they stumbled, and the church was born to complete the mission.

 

[miknik5]

The first type of resurrection is the one to immortality and eternal life

.... and there are three of these scheduled, the pre-tribulation, for the martyrs at the end of the tribulation, and the Lord's two prophets at the end of the period [Revelation 3:10; 6:9-11; 11:11-12]

There is only one type of resurrection to the second death of a man's spirit scheduled [Revelation 20:11-15]

Nope. This is the Resurrection of those who will be reigning as priests during the 1000 year reign...


Revelation 20:4And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had receivedhis mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[miknik5]

I'm not trying to be rude miknik5 when I say your theology is seriously flawed.

Jesus said in Matt. 15:24,
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Brother, you are struggling to understand the plan of God from the foundation of the world.

The church is Gods second choice! His first choice was His chosen people, Israel. It was Israel that God chose to take the Gospel to the world, but they stumbled, and the church was born to complete the mission.

No sir. It seems you are.
Only ONE foundation was laid sir.
And only ONE JERUSALEM of which both are in...the 12 apostles (and that flock) as well as the 12 tribes of Israel (and that flock).

Remember at the First Passover, the First Chosen who came out from egypt into Israel were told not to treat an "alien" as an alien that any alien amongst them who wished to celebrate the PASSOVER had to be circumcised.

GOD was ever and always pointing, using lower signs and representations, to the TRUTHS all found in HIS SON.

ONE HOUSE...and ONE SON over HIS FATHER'S HOUSE...faithful in all of HIS FATHER'S POSSESSIONS

One Covenant
One Foundation
One Capstone
One GOSPEL
One Baptism
One BODY
One Spirit
One Hope
One Olive Tree
One Faith
One Lord
One God

 

[miknik5]

Ezekiel 36 explains that GOD is doing all things for HIS NAMESAKE...because, well no one perfectly and clearly mirrored/represented HIM before all men...and because of this, HIS NAME was "misrepresented" amongst all nations.

And those who professed to know GOD, HIS FIRST CHOSEN, actually did not combine the TRUE SPIRIT of GOD with all the written and outward commands of the Law...thereby never extending GOD'S TRUE MERCY and GRACE and BEAUTY to those who needed to be reconciled to GOD, who desired to know HIM, who looked to their older Jewish Covenanted brother as the one who had a relationship with GOD.

But they didn't welcome their gentile brothers...and in stead some even adopted the customs of their gentile brothers, rather than keeping themselves separate (not in their hearts and natural love) but to clearly show GOD to their younger brothers and sisters.

Instead they had hate in their hearts and considered their gentile brothers unclean.
So who could wash them?

These gentiles wanted to be washed, but they weren't receiving anything from their older brothers.

Now there is ONLY ONE who washes and makes clean before GOD what apart from HIM washing, is unclean and separated and unreconciled to GOD.

By HIS BLOOD.
HE alone is the LIGHT which lighteth all men...


In that day I will make a new covenant with them...I will give them a New Heart and a New Spirit...I will put my laws inwardly upon their heart and in their minds and no man will need to tell another "know the Lord" for I will sprinkle them with clean water and remember their sins no more.

And from the least to the greatest they will all be taught by GOD.
This anointing is real, sir.
The HOLY SPIRIT, poured out upon all those whose faith is in HIS SON, is how we handle the Law and Word of GOD correctly...combining HIS SPIRIT with the law and making it of effect...truly representing GOD before all men...

So that they may see the glory of GOD in the face of Jesus Christ, come to the knowledge of The SON and be baptized and marked and made a new "eighth day" creation, having passed through the Lord's "seventh day" sabbath...a NEW CREATION in CHRIST...set apart and marked and covenanted to GOD in CHRIST JESUS.

That first miracle of HIS GLORY as seen in John 2?

Review it.
It is a visual picture of Christ, the LORD of THE SABBATH, pouring water into "6 earthen vessels (signifying man) used for purification (because the wine had run out) NEW WINE...

 

[miknik5]

I'm not trying to be rude miknik5 when I say your theology is seriously flawed.

Jesus said in Matt. 15:24,
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Brother, you are struggling to understand the plan of God from the foundation of the world.

The church is Gods second choice! His first choice was His chosen people, Israel. It was Israel that God chose to take the Gospel to the world, but they stumbled, and the church was born to complete the mission.

I don't have a theology.
I keep my eyes on the ONE whom GOD said to pay careful attention to.
For GOD by HIS WORD already forewarned in Haggai 2, Ezra 3, and Zechariah 4 to PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO THE FOUNDATION.

That FOUNDATION is CHRIST.

 

[miknik5]

There isn't a separation...HE did not come to divide but to make ONE NEW man from the two...to bring those who were close (the Jew who had the word and promises of GOD) and those who were far (the gentile who didn't) and make the two one, tearing down the barrier of hostility between the two...

 

[miknik5]

For in truth sir...though HE came for the lost sheep of Israel, they rejected HIM, and the Gospel went first to the Gentiles...I will call them MY BELOVED who were not MY BELOVED...all to stir Israel to jealousy that they may be saved.

The Olive tree is being filled...when the numbers in CHRIST are complete, GOD will reopen the eyes of HIS FIRST LOVE Israel...and in that day, HE will remove the yoke of their burden (of sin and guilt) and they will go out as calves released from their stalls....

 

[miknik5]

I'm not trying to be rude miknik5 when I say your theology is seriously flawed.

Jesus said in Matt. 15:24,
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Brother, you are struggling to understand the plan of God from the foundation of the world.

The church is Gods second choice! His first choice was His chosen people, Israel. It was Israel that God chose to take the Gospel to the world, but they stumbled, and the church was born to complete the mission.

They'll be first...
I know they will be first.
And look what they will have to overcome!
It is wonder that any flesh will be saved during that time
But as you know for the SAKE OF HIS ELECT, HE will shorten the days...

 

[miknik5]

When you look at the parable of the workers in the field.
Look at those who come in at the last hour who haven't weathered the storms which play a bigger part in causing us to fall asleep and not have the FIRST LOVE which we had from the beginning.
Now look and remember how it was when you first heard of HIM and how you did all those things without even thinking about what might come upon you...you were pure and spotless having just come from HIS PRESENCE and that outpouring of LOVE which HE poured into your heart overflowed upon all...there was no guile in you, no second thinking...you did all things as being done because of your LOVE and UNFATHOMABLE AMAZEMENT at the TRUTH of THE GOSPEL...

So it will be those who hear the TRUTH and believe and come in at the LAST HOUR...
They will be BEAUTIFUL and PERFECT and have a right to be FIRST...

 

[miknik5]

Now read HIS forewarning to HIS "sleeping" BODY...that they should remember THEIR FIRST LOVE, the HEIGHT from which they had fallen...

This is why I said, keep ever before you in remembrance what you began in...if what you began in remains in you, you too will remain in both THE FATHER and THE SON, and this is what HE promised us...even ETERNAL LIFE...

 

[miknik5]

I am going for the day...

God bless all of you...
God bless us as we discuss these things and remember ALWAYS HIS FAITHFULNESS...

 

[miknik5]

Another thing.
Remember the samaritan woman at the well.

And pay careful attention to how she held to "jacob's well" as her lifeline and inheritance in the things of GOD.

She was waiting for the Messiah...
But her older jewish brothers were certainly not giving her any food and drink

And here is a stranger who tells her everything...who said she had no husband.

That day she got more than just a drink
She got a husband and an inheritance in the things of GOD...

And what did CHRIST say to HIS believing (Jewish) Disciples?
Look at the field, it is ripe for the harvest...ask the Lord of the Harvest to send out more workers in the field....

 

[miknik5]

That's our work.
To call as many to the Wedding Supper of the Lamb...


Oh, and Only ONE BRIDEGROOM as well...

 

[miknik5]

Sir, CHRIST'S forewarning in Revelation 1-3 is to HIS believing BODY to overcome...
If we are not going to be persecuted and hated for HIS NAME, there would have been NO NEED for HIM to forewarn HIS BODY to overcome


Wrong .... if you are a believer in Jesus Christ you have no need to receive His wrath and coming judgment which will be for and unbelieving world [1 Thessalonians 5:1-9; Revelation 3:10]

Going through His coming time of wrath to be persecuted is not a requirement for your salvation or anyone for that matter

There have been many save and now dead who will never experience His coming wrath .... so your logic does not compute

Experiencing the coming tribulation is not a requirement for your salvation, so someone is misleading you ... if you belong to a religious organization that teaches law keeping for one to be saved .... leave it

Get it straight first

HE will remove the hedge and then Satan will have full reign

The problem sir is your attributing to Him the wrong works ( which many will do)

When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way


STOP

When HE (who by HIS everyday Grace and Goodness upon all His Creation) held things back

STOP

Is taken out of the way. Then all the things that HE held back so that we were never totally consumed will no longer hold

Many will during this time of trouble attribute to GOD what should not be attributed
To GOD and instead of trusting and waiting for HIM though He hide His face from Jacobs troubles will in error(just like Jobs ignorant wife suggested Job do) look up, curse/blame God (see Isaiah and revelation)

And those who do will in the end be cast into utter darkness and will receive the wrong mark

And it won't be for LIFE