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Okay, you are right, you and straight shot are right on what the day of the LORD is.... so we can put all armors down, no one is going to get hurt. We are just saying, whichever day of the LORD is, including the days of the LORD's wrath they will involve all Christians, whether a gentile or a Hebrew and they will all be in the same boat. The LORD will not declare his days of vengeance against his own but against the sinful world.
The world is coming to an end and we need to stop this back and forth on everything. The time of Noah's flood has been beckoning for an audience for a very long time. The World has been longing to give birth to a powerful economy that would rule with a Unitarian thumb rule. I don't think it's debatable because hey! the world is too engrossed on power and everyone is competing on who will get ahead of who. So like rational human beings, we all know someone will get in someone's way. The question is, when? That I could have told you confidently if I knew it, but is just my instincts are kinda flipping to the edge of a radio wave and I can't place my finger on what's up really. All I know, (if there's a catholic here) I would tell them your mother is up to no GOOD. But anyway, I didn't like the idea of conspiracy theories, I just have my concerns from placing too many two and twos together. I also have faith that the Holy Spirit has never lied so I will give this instinct a shot, there are times it's the least you can do.
So if Hurricane Sandy caught guys unawares don't let this one catch you off-guard!good LUCK!!!
Every Christians alive (including you and me if alive) at the time will be The tribulation Christians."It is in the plan of God that the Christians will be overcome by the beast"
The tribulation Christians only .... those who will become Christians during the tribulation [Revelation 6:9-10; 13:7; 14:13]
The 144,000 are sealed for protection in Revelation 7 because the events of the 6th seal announce that the time is come for the tribulation to begin.Wrong
The 6th seal is a portent [preview] of the same earthquake in Revelation 8
The actual judgment events do not begin until chapter 8 containing the quake
The sequence .... [Revelation 14:7] [Revelation 14:8]
I only put all of that in one place because I had never seen it done, so I figured why not set up a reference guide. We have a wee bit disagreement, it seems. I do not think Christians will be on earth be it Messianic or Gentile Christians. The Rapture happens first, then we are in Heaven for 7 years marrying Christ, and at the mid-way point the Wrath of God breaks out.Okay, you are right, you and straight shot are right on what the day of the LORD is.... so we can put all armors down, no one is going to get hurt. We are just saying, whichever day of the LORD is, including the days of the LORD's wrath they will involve all Christians, whether a gentile or a Hebrew and they will all be in the same boat. The LORD will not declare his days of vengeance against his own but against the sinful world.
The world is coming to an end and we need to stop this back and forth on everything. The time of Noah's flood has been beckoning for an audience for a very long time. The World has been longing to give birth to a powerful economy that would rule with a Unitarian thumb rule. I don't think it's debatable because hey! the world is too engrossed on power and everyone is competing on who will get ahead of who. So like rational human beings, we all know someone will get in someone's way. The question is, when? That I could have told you confidently if I knew it, but is just my instincts are kinda flipping to the edge of a radio wave and I can't place my finger on what's up really. All I know, (if there's a catholic here) I would tell them your mother is up to no GOOD. But anyway, I didn't like the idea of conspiracy theories, I just have my concerns from placing too many two and twos together. I also have faith that the Holy Spirit has never lied so I will give this instinct a shot, there are times it's the least you can do.
So if Hurricane Sandy caught guys unawares don't let this one catch you off-guard!good LUCK!!!
The great earthquake of the 6th seal at the beginning of the tribulation ,will come long before the destruction of"great city Babylon" MBG.
One rule about the First Resurrection of the believers
It will happen at the same time that Revelation 20:4-6 which is after the tribulation.
What makes you believe that you will be raptured in Heaven for 7 years, can you show only one Bible verse where it is written ?I do not think Christians will be on earth be it Messianic or Gentile Christians. The Rapture happens first, then we are in Heaven for 7 years
This is true, but the Church is the REASON, the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) restrains the Man of Sin from coming forth. Its simple, its 1 + 1 logic here. Why does the Church keep the Man of sin from coming forward until his time, is right/correct ?Every Christians alive (including you and me if alive) at the time will be The tribulation Christians.
Nobody will be raptured before the tribulation because the Church (body of Christ)is not the restrainer of the man of Sin. see post 693 page 35
Because it is evident, have you ever studied the Jewish Wedding Pattern ? http://www.luke810.com/wedpatt.htmWhat makes you believe that you will be raptured in Heaven for 7 years, can you show only one Bible verse where it is written ?
No, I am not. I am talking about bible prophecy, eschatology. Jews, Israel, are all in it.... because God says so.We're talking about the physical vs spiritual
We have a wee bit disagreement, it seems. I do not think Christians will be on earth be it Messianic or Gentile Christians. The Rapture happens first, then we are in Heaven for 7 years marrying Christ, and at the mid-way point the Wrath of God breaks out.
But the Anti-Christ is alive today. We should be ready no doubt, at any moment.
The mystery of iniquity is the spirit of Antichrist.The mystery of iniquity is Satan.The mystery of iniquity (Satan)was already at work when Jesus was born.In fact the mystery of iniquity (Satan) was at work since the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).
I never said that Christians were the restrainer. "What witholdeth" that the man of sin might be revealed in his time,So your idea that the Church (Christians) is the restrainer fall flat on your face.
The restrainer is God the Father.
God the Father restrain Satan in its actions...
The Church is not the restrainerThis is true, but the Church is the REASON, the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) restrains the Man of Sin from coming forth. Its simple, its 1 + 1 logic here. Why does the Church keep the Man of sin from coming forward until his time, is right/correct ?
Jesus said the Gospel must be preached unto all the World, and then the End will come. So the Holy Spirit will not/can not allow the Satan to bring forth his Man of Sin/Anti-Christ/Little Horn, UNTIL the Churches business is finished. It is all contingent upon the Church preaching the Gospel unto all the world. So Paul was saying, you know what withholdeth or what holds/bars the Anti-Christ from coming forth, for I have told you this before.
It is simple, If we HAVE TO PREACH the Gospel unto all the world, the that's what is the hold up.And we are nigh doing just that.
The seals are not a sneak preview of what is described in the scroll."
Same quake RB
Like I said, Revelation 6:12-17 is portent of the tribulation to come [conditions upon the earth].... all of the seals are previews ......... then the tribulation events begin in chapter 8
If you don't get this you will not render Revelation correctly
You don't seem to be reading my quotes, because I said the Holy Spirit is the RESTRAINER, it restrains on behalf of the Church. {MY EXACT QUOTE......"This is true, but the Church is the REASON, the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) restrains the Man of Sin from coming forth." HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY INFER I SAID THE CHURCH WAS THE RESTRAINER !!! ? Its clear as day what I said.} The Restrainer is not God the Father, it is the Holy Spirit, He Restrains the Anti-Christ from coming forward until its HIS TIME. Because the Church will not be finished and ready to be Raptured, until she has preached the Gospel unto all the world.The Church is not the restrainer
The mystery of iniquity is Satan.The mystery of iniquity (Satan)was already at work when Jesus was born.In fact the mystery of iniquity (Satan) was at work since the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3).
So your idea that the Church (Christians) is the restrainer fall flat on your face.
The restrainer is God the Father.
God the Father restrain Satan in its actions...
Satan's actions are allowed if it goes in line and timing with the plan of God.Example it was in the plan of God that Jesus will be put to death under the influence of Satan and his minions who were the scribes and high priests.
When the time will come to fulfill the prophecy about the man of sin /Antichrist/Beast,God will left his restrain on Satan's actions to fulfill that part of the prophecy in the appropriate time.
Mystery solved....
/What withhold/ is the power of God, until God decide that the time is come for the prophecy to be fulfilled.
The problem for the pre-trib theory is that the Holy Spirit was sent by God on Pentecost as a comforter for the believers ...The Holy Spirit will stay with the believers until the Coming of Jesus....because the rapture to meet Jesus in the air will happen at His Coming after the tribulation.{ The Holy Spirit Restrains until it is time for the Rapture of the Church, mystery solved. }
The SEVEN seals must be broken before you can read what is in the scroll.You have much to discover RB .... the seals are a preview of the prevalent conditions that will exist during the coming tribulation ....
The setting for the events of the great tribulation will begin with the Great Earthquake of the 6th seal this is the trigger (Revelation 6:12-17)....thus the urgency to seal the 144,000 for protection Revelation 7(the sealing of the 144,000 is part of the 6th seal)---,....after that the 7th seal will be opened Revelation 8:1-6....after that will come the seven trumpets Judgement Revelation 8:7-13 ...Straightshot said:The tribulation events begin in chapter 8 beginning with the 7 trumpet judgments
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