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Equity or Equality?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by 98cwitr, Apr 14, 2021.

Equity or Equality?

  1. Equity

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  2. Equality

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  1. SummerMadness

    SummerMadness Senior Veteran

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    You initially stated that financial aid is a problem of equity, is that no longer the case, or did I mistake your explanation (you pointed to links without explanation)? I support using a holistic approach to college admissions that uses multiple factors. Many people speak of merit, yet they don't seem to really support everything based on merit alone. Nonetheless, was the purpose of this thread to discuss college admissions or what are the meanings of equality and equity?
     
  2. SummerMadness

    SummerMadness Senior Veteran

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    It seems this thread is not really about equity and more about blaming people for the effects of systemic problems in American society. When I think of equity, I think of the disabled and the access and type of education they receive. I would never argue they should be treated exactly the same as students without physical or mental impediments.
     
  3. Pommer

    Pommer Autodidact polymath

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    Working two and three jobs cuts into “family time”, yes.
     
  4. Speedwell

    Speedwell Well-Known Member

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    Right.
     
  5. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Tell the Vice President to pick a different word then....like communism.

    The Democratic left describes equity as everyone getting the same outcomes. If you think they are wrong or being deceptive....feel free to tell everyone about it.

    I'd agree that not only is it deceptive..it's harmful.
     
  6. Pommer

    Pommer Autodidact polymath

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    Short enough to fit on a bumpersticker and wrong enough to pull in “the usual suspects”!
     
  7. Pommer

    Pommer Autodidact polymath

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    ibid
     
  8. Pommer

    Pommer Autodidact polymath

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    Please cease attempting to turn this into a “race thread”, thanks.
     
  9. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Absolutely....as long as you can actually define it.

    Nobody actually uses any of the "new" definitions of racism.

    If someone calls Serena Williams a racial slur.....people call that racism, and it is, under the old definition.

    That's how people use the term.

    The only time people trot out the new definition of "power + privilege" is to defend themselves against accusations of racism.

    Nobody ever actually makes any analysis of power before calling someone racist. It's a fake definition.
     
  10. Ana the Ist

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    Equitable treatment means we all end up at the same place.-Kamala Harris

    Is the Vice President a "usual suspect" to you?
     
  11. Pommer

    Pommer Autodidact polymath

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    She’s wrong. So sez I.
     
  12. DaisyDay

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  13. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Well then stop voting Democrat. They're pushing racial equity hard...

    Biden’s U.N. Ambassador: ‘White Supremacy Is Weaved into Our Founding Documents and Principles’

    Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, said Wednesday that racial equity is a top focus for her as “white supremacy is weaved into our founding documents and principles” in the U.S.

    That’s why the Biden administration has made racial equity a top priority across the entire government and I’m making it a real focus on my tenure at the U.S. mission to the United Nations,” she said.

    The Democratic party is now packed full of racists who want to treat people differently according to race.

    That's based on their own words.
     
  14. Ana the Ist

    Ana the Ist Aggressively serene!

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    Well as of today there's no male only colleges.

    However there's dozens of female only colleges if I remember correctly.

    You believe they should admit men or close?
     
  15. disciple Clint

    disciple Clint Well-Known Member

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    Five billion for black farmers, nothing for other farmers?
     
  16. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You've got those terms confused. Equity is just a fancy word for justice or fairness.
     
  17. FireDragon76

    FireDragon76 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It's the Right, not the Left, that believes in "Equality". That is a central Marxist critique of western liberalism: humanity is falsely seen in abstraction, not in concrete social relations, and use "equality" as a fig leaf for denying humanity in its concrete manifestations.
     
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2021
  18. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Which answer do you want in the polls. Equity (same outcome for everyone) is the word of the day, and the direction our country is taking, but equality (equal under the law, equal to acheive to each man's fullest potential according to each man's effort and ability, not identical outcome - for the poor will always be with us, it's just a matter of which system the poor live under, tyranny or freedom) is right and just.
     
  19. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Not exactly what I stated: Financial aid based on immutable traits is a problem of applied equity (not the nice, friendly textbook definition that was posted).

    A discussion of equity vs. equality in general, college admissions being a specific use case to discuss.
     
  20. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Is it fair or just for a system or policy to give to some and not others based on immutable traits?
     
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