Equal authority of Tradition to Scripture

[ETide]

Etide, you have no idea of my background. You make declarative statements based on assumptions.

I'm simply responding to YOUR comments Theo, that's all.. it's a discussion.

 

[ETide]

Etide

You made two distinctly opposite statements. I don't have to be Orthodox to see that.

God Bless

Again, because to you.. it's all about your church and what you see as protestantism..

In reality, there is ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

AND it consists of every member which He added and adds to it.

It has nothing to do with being orthodox or protestant.. it has to do with whether or not you have been placed into CHRIST by God.

Period..

This is why you can not understand it.

 

[Asinner]

I'm simply responding to YOUR comments Theo, that's all.. it's a discussion.

Perhaps if you asked Theo how he came to an understanding of the Orthodox Church being Christ's Church, instead of assuming he was simply told this by others, you would know WHY he believes this.

God Bless

 

[Asinner]

Again, because to you.. it's all about your church and what you see as protestantism..

In reality, there is ONE BODY OF CHRIST.

AND it consists of every member which He added and adds to it.

It has nothing to do with being orthodox or protestant.. it has to do with whether or not you have been placed into CHRIST by God.

Period..

This is why you can not understand it.

Etide,
I was a protestant for 13 years. I do understand it.

Have you ever been to an Orthodox Church?

God Bless

 

[ETide]

Etide, the Church is communion with the Holy Trinity. The Church has always existed. It was made manifest at pentacost. Christ said to Paul that when he persecuted the Church, he persecuted Himself.

Look at that prayer again in John. That they may be one as He and the Father are one!

I agree with most of this.. the exception being that the church of God has always existed..

 

[ETide]

Etide,
I was a protestant for 13 years. I do understand it.

Have you ever been to an Orthodox Church?

God Bless

I was raised as a catholic Asinner.. so I understand the nature of your orthodox church..

Although I do not believe that you understand.. otherwise you would not have asked the question, or been confused..

The church of God is not dependent upon the orthodox church or protestantism..

 

[ETide]

Perhaps if you asked Theo how he came to an understanding of the Orthodox Church being Christ's Church, instead of assuming he was simply told this by others, you would know WHY he believes this.

God Bless

I believe that Theo has been clear in many things.. if not, then he obviously can clarify anything that he wishes to clarify.

 

[ETide]

Time to work.. I'll talk with ya'll later..

 

[Asinner]

I was raised as a catholic Asinner.. so I understand the nature of your orthodox church..

The Orthodox Church is NOT the Catholic Church. We shared 1000 years and have been separate for 1000 years. The two are very different. Ask any Orthodox that converted from Catholicism. You are making assumptions again, Etide. Until you physically walk into an Orthodox Church and experience Orthodox worship, your opinion will be unsubstantiated.

Although I do not believe that you understand.. otherwise you would not have asked the question, or been confused..

The church of God is not dependent upon the orthodox church or protestantism..

There is no unity within protestantism. Christ prayed for unity. It is not that confusing.

God Bless

 

[Asinner]

Time to work.. I'll talk with ya'll later..

Talk to you later.

 

[WarriorAngel]

SALVATION is found IN CHRIST and in HIS FINISHED WORK OF REDEMPTION.

As I mentioned before, it's ironic to me that the church which claims to be "the" church, can not assure anyone of their salvation, and you're saying that it's within the church..? ?

The assurances we have is that Christ built His Church......upon Peter, & with the Apostles, and that Church is still here today.

The doctrines are set up SO ppl can be saved....because obtaining the ultimate Salvation as in 'being saved' is an ongoing process that mere words from our own behalf cannot ascertain by assumptive declarations..

That would be judging ourselves and not letting the Lord judge us.

Peace!

 

[ETide]

The Orthodox Church is NOT the Catholic Church. We shared 1000 years and have been separate for 1000 years. The two are very different. Ask any Orthodox that converted from Catholicism. You are making assumptions again, Etide. Until you physically walk into an Orthodox Church and experience Orthodox worship, your opinion will be unsubstantiated.

I'm speaking to orthodox people right here, am I not..?

Do I need to go to the orthodox church so that they can claim that they're the 'church of God', or that it's presumptious to know that I'm in Christ and that I'm eternally secure in Him..?

This is basically what we're speaking about here.. is some other member of the orthodox church going to tell it differently than what you are saying..?

There is no unity within protestantism. Christ prayed for unity. It is not that confusing.

God Bless

That's why I said that you will never understand it, because as long as it's all about protestantism or orthodoxy to you.. then that'll remain your standard..

There is unity in Christ, and Christ prayed that we'd all be ONE IN HIM..and we are ! Every Spirit filled believer has Christ in them.. when I fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ, there's perfect unity in that.. because Christ is within the believer.

 

[WarriorAngel]

I was raised as a catholic Asinner.. so I understand the nature of your orthodox church..

SO??

Does that mean you ever understood it? No.

My brother left the Catholic Church as well, and became sola scriptura in the Church of Christ.

He then decided to study what the RC was about vs depending on what those who converted him were telling him.

He discovered much about the Church digging thru history and had discovered he erred in letting others persuade him into believing what they told him ABOUT the Church.

So guess what...he returned to the Church under the Pope.

He went thru all the history of all '4' Churches that were Apostolic.

The OO, EO, RC and EC [Byzantine] and he is a Roman subject that attends the Byzantine Church or the RC Church if he so chooses.

But to tell me you UNDERSTAND the RC without researching the actual history does not mean you comprehended what you were seeking. IF you did indeed research it b4 you took someone else's word for it.

I have no way of knowing.

And my own 'lazy' use of sola scriptura while attending Mass and not fully encompassing it, can also testify that it takes more than just attending, it takes plenty 'being' Catholic.

And I uncovered plenty about the Church to know...
Other ppl cannot persuade me to leave 2000 plus years of a sound Apostolic sound doctrine, with all the sacraments established for my salvation.

Christ did the act required to allow us into Heaven, He cannot overcome our free will to we do what we need to do [lukewarmness vs zealousness] while we must continue in our ongoing work for the goal of acquiring Heaven.

The goal is there, as Christ would say..."MANY are invited..few will come."

Even the ones who do desire to come are dressed in rags and thrown out to the streets.

They want to come, but they just havent done enough themselves to please the Lord.

So its not just about wanting it and saying its ours because we say so......with out acting on the means provided to us....
Yet it is all about our own deeds and our own work towards the goal HE gave us since He opened the Heavens to us once again.

Its that simple.

 

[xapis]

The doctrines are set up SO ppl can be saved....because obtaining the ultimate Salvation as in 'being saved' is an ongoing process that mere words from our own behalf cannot ascertain by assumptive declarations..

That would be judging ourselves and not letting the Lord judge us.

Peace!

Who is the Savior?

 

[WarriorAngel]

Who is the Savior?

The Judge.

 

[xapis]

The Judge.

Does He perform 100% of the "saving"?

 

[Theophorus]

I agree with most of this.. the exception being that the church of God has always existed..

So, the Kingdom of God is not eternal?

Plus if the Church is one with Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit, then there would be a consistency of at least what conctitutes the truth. According to you, being "one" with God has no tangible benefit in this area, as those who are at the two extreme ends of the spectrum in this regard are "one".

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

Does He perform 100% of the "saving"?

Absolutely! Jesus does 100% of the saving, but only If you choose to accept and follow Him.

 

[ETide]

So, the Kingdom of God is not eternal?

Plus if the Church is one with Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit, then there would be a consistency of at least what conctitutes the truth. According to you, being "one" with God has no tangible benefit in this area, as those who are at the two extreme ends of the spectrum in this regard are "one".

The church of God has its beginnings at Pentecost, ~2000 years ago now..it is built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being its chief cornerstone..

As for the members of the church of God, we were in times past alienated from the life of God, dead in trespasses and in sins.. were were children of disobedience and wrath, just as others.. (See Eph 2)

BUT, when we trusted in Christ, after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation, and after we believed.. we were sealed (by God) with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession.. (See Eph 1:13)

So, how you can suggest that there is no tangible benefit from being IN CHRIST.. is beyond me..

It's infinitely better being alive and in Christ, rather than being dead and lost in trespasses and in sins..

You need to change your hair color too..

 

[Asinner]

You need to change your hair color too..