End of our Civilization Starts on January 5th 2023

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End of our Civilization Starts on January 5th 2023


The problem is that there's no reason to believe that this is true. From what I can gather doing some Google sleuthing is that we are in an ordinary solar cycle, and so over the past several years there has been an increase in solar activity, and this will continue into 2025, when it will begin to decrease again. We aren't experiencing, nor will we experience, anything devastating to human civilization. In the modern world increases in solar activity can become problematic, severe solar flares can cause radio blackouts, such as what happened across Europe and Asia back in 2017 (see here). And that can be really annoying. But these have been regularly occurring problems for as long as we've been using radio to communicate--because bursts of electro-magnetic radiation from the sun can interfere with electro-magnetic devices here on earth.

But to claim that civilization is starting to end on January 5th is a very big claim to be making. And I'm not seeing anything from any credible, reputable sources that would suggest this.

At any given moment we could be said to be on the precipice of a civilization altering event. A large comet or asteroid could collide with the earth and wreak all manner of havoc across the globe. Our continued abuse of the environment and rising global temperatures could thaw out some long dormant virus or bacteria that could create a pandemic that would make what we've gone through with Covid-19 seem like a pleasant walk in the park by comparison. Some crazed politician somewhere out there, or some clandestine terrorist group could get their hands on a nuclear weapon and initiate a nuclear holocaust.

However, do I have reason to believe that an asteroid is going to hit anytime soon, or that some long frozen zombie virus is going to show up, or that nuclear armageddon will strike next week? Nope. I consider all those things to be valid concerns that I think deserve to lead us to act smart--study asteroids and come up with meaningful solutions to help mitigate them if we can, try and put into effect commonsense measures to mitigate climate change, try and elect sensible leaders who serve the interests of the public and seek peaceful resolutions to potential conflicts.

"End of civilization" is a big claim. In one sense almost anything could cause our current civilization to be dramatically changed; that's certainly happened a lot over history. Rarely do civilizations just end, however. When Alexander died and his empire split among his generals, Hellenistic civilization didn't die, but fused with the conquered societies, even in Judea which is why we read of a "Galilee of the Gentiles" and of Hellenistic Jews in the time of the New Testament, it's why a group of Egyptian Jewish scribes produced a translation of the Hebrew Scriptures into Greek, aka the Septuagint. When Odoacer took over the Italian peninsula and Romulus Augustus fled to Ravenna, sure the Western Roman Empire was fallen, but really it just meant Western Europe was now under new jurisdiction by "barbarian" kings, such as the Visigoths in Hispania and Gaul, the Ostrogoths and Lombards in Italy, the Vandals in North Africa. Eventually the Franks would take Gaul and Germania. That Frankish kingdom would give rise France and the Holy Roman Empire, aka Germany. Roman civilization didn't die in Western Europe, it just came under new management. In the East it continued to flourish in the "Byzantine" period, which lasted until Mehmet II of the Ottoman Empire eventually took control of Constantinople in 1453 and proclaimed himself the new Caesar of Rome--the Ottomans seeing themselves as the new management of the Roman Empire; though up in Moscow the Muscovite kings started calling themselves Caesar (Tsar) believing themselves the new heirs of Rome's legacy. So, you know, Roman civilization didn't so much as end as, again, come under new management. The American colonies when they overthrew the British crown didn't end European civilization in North America, it just came under new management.

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End of our Civilization Starts on January 5th 2023

The logic on this OP is lacking. The end of each civilization started when said civilization began. Just like I began dying as soon as my life began. You can fill any date on any calendar after the inception of whatever civilization and make this statement.
 
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I like doomsday predictions.

I especially like the sound they make as they go whoooshing past.... and then.... nothing, as we wait for the next one to gather up the courage to start setting dates.

The end of civilization began when Adam and Eve ate of the fruit.
Civilization was saved when Christ died and rose again.
 
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Civilization was saved when Christ died and rose again.
Christ did not die for or to save angels, nor "civilization",

unless, for "civilization" not for angels, q definition of "civilization" that is in line with all Torah and Scripture is meant.
 
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The end of our civilization started with the resurrection of Christ.
THe last day of the rest of anyone's life now, is today. Or the first day of the rest of anyone's life , is today ...

Today is Today

Many thousands of people die today. No future hope for them. None at all.
 
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Christ did not die for or to save angels, nor "civilization",

unless, for "civilization" not for angels, q definition of "civilization" that is in line with all Torah and Scripture is meant.
You and I have a different definition for "civilization".

Angels don't need salvation... The fallen angels can never get salvation.

Christ died for mankind... nobody else. Not animals, not plants, not angels, not demons...

So, IMO, Christ died for all civilization.. meaning all of mankind.
 
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You and I have a different definition for "civilization".

Angels don't need salvation... The fallen angels can never get salvation.

Christ died for mankind... nobody else. Not animals, not plants, not angels, not demons...

So, IMO, Christ died for all civilization.. meaning all of mankind.

"Civilization" would mean the political-economic entities created by man--nations, corporations, kingdoms, and such--the entities of which Satan claimed ownership.

Scattered groups of tribes would not, for instance, be a "civilization." Nimrod is credited by scripture as being the inventor of civilization. Whether you believe a single man named Nimrod invented civilzation or not, the scriptural point is that civilization is an invention of man.
 
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"Civilization" would mean the political-economic entities created by man--nations, corporations, kingdoms, and such--the entities of which Satan claimed ownership.

Scattered groups of tribes would not, for instance, be a "civilization." Nimrod is credited by scripture as being the inventor of civilization. Whether you believe a single man named Nimrod invented civilzation or not, the scriptural point is that civilization is an invention of man.
I am really not going to argue on the use of one word "civilization".

Let me just say that Christ died for every human that was concieved. Not angels, Not demons, not plants, not animals, not rocks, not water, not sun, moon or stars.... Humans.
 
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Apocalypse & Armageddon

Scientific warning of a ‘Super Solar Flare’ in 2023 and the End of our ‘Civilization’​


DOOMSDAY STARTS Video -Get right into it at marker 1hr 15 min

Some talking points from the video:

  • This is Not the Rapture, or Wrath of God but it is Apocalyptic.
  • Solar system effects will start on January 5th, 2023
  • Signs in the sun and moon and stars,
  • Communications will be greatly effected
  • This space anomaly will penetrate our heliosphere on Jan 5th 2023
  • It will start coming internally into our solar system following that date.
  • We could have an actual upsetting event on Jan 5th or shortly thereafter.
  • We are talking about enormous power, never encountered by the earth in living history.
  • Much more than the Carrington event. It’s going to affect people’s health
  • Volcanism, magma is moving all over the place, they are trying to keep that under wraps.
  • Scientists have known about this since 1983 into the 1990’s these celestial events we cannot dodge.
  • This event starting 1/5/23 does Not involve Planet X however they could happen in the same time period
  • The earth is going to change geologically in very bad ways, very rough ways, they are inevitable.
  • Heating up is taking place on all the planets, not just on earth.
  • 17 events happening in a small time period in the year of 2023
God ditched America around 50 years ago. That's why homosexuality, abortions, the occult, false mega churches, divorce, random shootings and other crimes are basically taking over many areas of American society.
 
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God ditched America around 50 years ago. That's why homosexuality, abortions, the occult, false mega churches, divorce, random shootings and other crimes are basically taking over many areas of American society.
So God was good with slavery, but abandoned us when we started getting concerned about things like civil rights, huh?
 
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So God was good with slavery, but abandoned us when we started getting concerned about things like civil rights, huh?
God has appointed a Day in which those corrupt businessmen kidnapped innocent Africans and sold them into slavery to line their own pockets. God was patient with the Church through that time, and it was through the prayers of believers that slavery was abolished. But when the Church lost its cutting edge of holiness and dedication to Christ, and allowed the world, flesh and the devil to call the shots, the Holy Spirit, when He came to a church and saw the uncleaness of lust, greed, self seeking, hatred, intolerance etc., He left and went His way.
 
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God ditched America around 50 years ago. That's why homosexuality, abortions, the occult, false mega churches, divorce, random shootings and other crimes are basically taking over many areas of American society.
Agreed,
 
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So God was good with slavery, but abandoned us when we started getting concerned about things like civil rights, huh?
God wasn't good with it... He raised up men and women to fight and abolish it in the new country.
 
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God has appointed a Day in which those corrupt businessmen kidnapped innocent Africans and sold them into slavery to line their own pockets. God was patient with the Church through that time, and it was through the prayers of believers that slavery was abolished. But when the Church lost its cutting edge of holiness and dedication to Christ, and allowed the world, flesh and the devil to call the shots, the Holy Spirit, when He came to a church and saw the uncleaness of lust, greed, self seeking, hatred, intolerance etc., He left and went His way.
I think we've managed to stray from unfounded assertion into fantasy there.
God wasn't good with it... He raised up men and women to fight and abolish it in the new country.
I was questioning the rationale of Watchman1's argument.
 
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