Elijah Has Come and With Him the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord!

[Timtofly]

Yes, it has to do with Christ's first coming. It was a Great and Terrible Day of the Lord FOR His Old Testament congregation that she is no longer a representative of God's kingdom as Christ has established a kingdom after the Cross through the New Testament Congregation, the Church. I know many misguided Christians thought that Elijah will return in our time to get ready for Second Coming.

All the OT believers were dead. Probably all over 300 years. Judaism was not the OT church any more than RCC can make that claim today. Nor could Constantine make that decision for that matter. The church was not the Law. The church was still by Faith. Hebrews 11. Since the Law was the preeminence what "body" passed faith along as a teaching? It was not like there were thousands of splinter "Law" groups, practicing faith. Judaism was hardly the means of spreading faith. We know that Faith was passed down, because two of old age were promised to see the birth before they died. They exercised Faith in their obedience to God. But it seems to me, the revolt's against the government were similiar to the revolt against society by the church. It was just political and not obedience to God.

Pre-mill as in Scripture is not the politics of bringing in an earthly kingdom. That is putting the cart before the horse, jumping the gun, and jumping to illogical conclusions. But denying the Lord's Day as being of God, is just as bad as trying to pull it off in human fleshly power.

 

[Timtofly]

John is not a credible witness when compared to Christ. Remember he even doubted that Christ was the Christ when he sent his disciples to ask Jesus if He was the one or not. This doubt was after he claimed by inspiration that Jesus was the Lamb that takes away the sin of the world. John was human and can't be faulted for not knowing his own importance in God's grand design. Jesus on the other hand was God in the flesh. So when His opinion differs from that of John's, I'm going to side with Jesus.

Jesus did not change John's belief about himself, nor the disciples belief about John. Both were just human beliefs, no? The disciples could just be as wrong as John was doubtful. John was not Elijah. Even the return of Elijah is controversy. Elijah himself is the return of Enoch. Elijah was not recorded as being born, but just a sojourner who came to earth and then left again. The only human who could do that would be Enoch. Enoch did not show up on the Mount of transfiguration. Elijah did. Nothing in Scripture adds up to a complete open and closed case when it comes to Elijah.

 

[nolidad]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

Well yo forgot the most important part of teh at Scripture passage---If you were willing! Israel wasn't so John di dnot fulfill the role of Elijah.

What more and terrible? REad abou tthe seals, bowls and trumpets- now that is terrible!

 

[Scott Husted]

And if you are willing to accept it ...

 

[Lost4words]

I believe the words of Jesus than how others 'interpret' scripture

 

[TribulationSigns]

Elijah will likely be one of the two witnesses in Revelation 11.

Sorry to disappoint you but your doctrine is fatally flawed. Moses and Elijah are absent from the body and present with the Lord, so they will not be given the body of this death again. Have you forgotten the Scripture says these two witnesses were killed, and their dead bodies lay in the street some 3 days? If you want to take this literally, then you have problems on top of problems!

Think about it, Doooouggg! First you have a reincarnation into mortal flesh "AFTER" they appeared with Christ at the transfiguration in a glorified state. Then you have them being killed in the middle east and their bodies left in the streets of Jerusalem 3 1/2 days. Even in a literalist world, that doesn't make sense!! How does one appearing in Glory leave that glory to become mortal, except they are God become a man as Christ? Yes, I've heard the doctrine that it must be Moses and Elijah because they didn't die? But first, who said Moses didn't die? and second, who said people must all die in the first place? Certainly not God, as we will not all die.

1st Thessaloniamns 4:15-18

• "For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
• For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
• Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
• Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

There is no requirement of death, that is yet another doctrine, a private interpretation invented to account for the alleged Moses and Elijah coming back to witness. It is not something that God said. It is your own man-made theories!

 

[TribulationSigns]

John himself said he was NOT Eliyahu. John 1:21

What does Christ say? John may not realize that he has the spirit and power of Elijah.

 

[Douggg]

Sorry to disappoint you but your doctrine is fatally flawed. Moses and Elijah are absent from the body and present with the Lord, so they will not be given the body of this death again. Have you forgotten the Scripture says these two witnesses were killed, and their dead bodies lay in the street some 3 days? If you want to take this literally, then you have problems on top of problems!

Elijah did not die. Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration before Jesus's crucifixion and raised on the third day. So their reappearance in this world happened once already. Where did they come from?

To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord is usually understood to mean a Christian's soul goes to heaven when they die.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Elijah did not die. Moses and Elijah appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration before Jesus's crucifixion and raised on the third day. So their reappearance in this world happened once already. Where did they come from?

Heaven. Didn't he went into heaven in a whirlwind? 2King2:2. His body was transformed.

[quote/]To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord is usually understood to mean a Christian's soul goes to heaven when they die.[/QUOTE]

it applies to all God’s Elect of old and new. Not just NT saints.

 

[dqhall]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

John the Baptist was as close to Elijah as they were going to get before the ministry of Jesus Christ. Jesus’ authority was confirmed by miraculous healings and prophesy.

 

[eleos1954]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

how about when God destroys the earth?

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.

2 Peter 3:7
But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.

Malachi 4:1
“For behold, the day is coming, burning like an oven, when all the arrogant and all evildoers will be stubble. The day that is coming shall set them ablaze, says the Lord of hosts, so that it will leave them neither root nor branch.

We are waiting for Him to return and take us home to be with Him for eternity.

 

[keras]

Elijah the Prophet:
Ecclesiasticus 48:1-10 There arose Elijah, a prophet like fire, whose Word blazed like a torch. By the Word of the Lord, he shut up the sky and three times he called down fire from heaven. By the Word of the Most High, you raised a corpse from the dead. You sent kings and famous men to destruction, how glorious you were, Elijah, in your miracles! You were taken up to heaven in a chariot by a fiery whirlwind. Scripture records that you are to come at the appointed time, to allay the Divine wrath before it destroys us all, to reconcile father and son and to restore the tribes of Jacob. Reference: REB Apocrypha


1 Kings 18:37-38 Answer me, Lord, and let this people know that You are God in Israel and that is You who have brought them back to their allegiance. Then fire from heaven fell, consuming the whole offering, the wood, the stones, the earth and the water in the trench.

Malachi 4:5-6 Look, I will send you the prophet Elijah before the great and terrible Day of the Lord comes. He will reconcile parents to their children, so as to avoid My curse on the Land.

Luke 1:17 John will go before Him as a forerunner, possessed by the power and spirit of Elijah, to reconcile father to child, to convert the rebellious to the ways of the righteous and to prepare a people that shall be fit for the Lord.
Ref: REB Abridged


Now, as the great and terrible Day of the Lord approaches, we can soon expect that someone, somewhere will rise up in the spirit and power of Elijah. It may be that the man himself will appear, as he never died and it is probable that he is one of the two witnesses who preach in Jerusalem during the time of the Anti Christ.

Elijah was the prophet who called down fire from heaven, maybe he will do so again when the Islamic nations and entities commence their attack on Israel.

It will be Elijah who will reconcile families, this mainly refers to the great reconciliation and rejoining of the House of Judah and the House of Israel. Ezekiel 37:15-28

This will lift the Divine curse off the Land and enable the restored tribes of Jacob, the Israelites and now as we know; every faithful Christian believer. They will go to their heritage and be the people fit to welcome Jesus at His Return.

All the holy Land, promised so long ago to the Patriarchs, will be cleared and cleansed by the forthcoming Day of the Lord’s judgement/punishment by fire from God’s storehouse, Deuteronomy 32:34-35, the sun. Isaiah 30:26-30

 

[rom8:38]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

John the Baptist ministered with the power of Elijah. He was not a resurrected Elijah. In Mt. 17, Jesus is referring to the beheading of John. Finally, the great and terrible day of the LORD is the second coming of Christ. Keep digging and praying when you do for revelation. God bless.

 

[coronawatching]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

This sounds like the voice of something that was in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Nancy Hale]

The very last words of the Old Testament are as follows:

Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. He will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, so that I will not come and smite the land with a curse. Malachi 4:5-6​

Please note that these are the very last words of the Old Testament. They describe the coming of the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD and associate it with the coming of Elijah. The Great and Terrible Day of the LORD is assumed by many today to be the final event on earth’s eschatological time clock. But according to Jesus, it has already occurred. In the following statements, Jesus says that John the Baptist was Elijah.

And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come. Matthew 11:14 NASB​

And He answered and said, “Elijah is coming and will restore all things; but I say to you that Elijah already came, and they did not recognize him, but did to him whatever they wished. So also the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that He had spoken to them about John the Baptist. Matthew 17:11-13 NASB​

Because Jesus says something, I take serious note of it. By Jesus making these claims about John the Baptist, and by equating John’s coming with the coming of Elijah, I see no other way to interpret them than to conclude that Jesus was claiming His own coming was in fact the Great and Terrible Day of the LORD. How else can these verses be interpreted?

And if Jesus’ first coming was the Great and terrible Day of the LORD, what on earth are Christians waiting for with respect to His Second Coming? What more great and terrible day can there be than the day God Himself came in the flesh and allowed Himself to be hung on a cross? I find it hard to believe anything else could be done and be more aptly described as Great & Terrible…

I think (which i reserve my right to change) that Malachi 4:5-6 is speaking of John the Baptist, but not in the way you think. John himself said he came to prepare the way, and Jesus said He was the way. He said to follow Him. HE said He was returning. All the apostles understood He is coming back. So when He said "It is finished" on the cross, do you think it meant everything on earth or just his fulfillment of prophecy? Or, maybe something else?
Could He have given us A new way; new but not new. Something so simple it would seem entirely foolish to humans, something that would confound the "wise", but still have future plans to end this insidious system of things.
Some Christians think of everyday proceeding Jesus's resurrection as one single day from what I have read (EO)
Edit - before does not necessarily mean 5 minutes, or 5 months or 5 years; it could be a couple centuries. I just read some other comments and, I recall Jesus saying John was Elijah and also that Elijah will be one of the two prophets in Revelations

 

[Timtofly]

What does Christ say? John may not realize that he has the spirit and power of Elijah.

Sure he did.

 

[Deade]

Sure he did.

Yes, his parents surely would have shared Gabriel's message with him. He did not lie to the religious leaders as they asked the wrong question. They expected Elijah to physically reappear instead of in type.

 

[keras]

John the Baptist ministered with the power of Elijah. He was not a resurrected Elijah. In Mt. 17, Jesus is referring to the beheading of John. Finally, the great and terrible day of the LORD is the second coming of Christ. Keep digging and praying when you do for revelation. God bless.

How can you say that the Day Jesus Returns, is a 'terrible day'?
The great and terrible Day of the Lord's vengeance and wrath will happen when the Sixth Seal is opened. Which will be the next prophesied event we can expect, that will commence all the prophesied things to happen before Jesus Returns in His glory to reign for the next 1000 years.

Sure he did.

Perhaps, then; you can explain why John never did signs like calling down fire from heaven, like Elijah did?
Did John do any reconciling, as the end times Elijah, as prophesied: will do?

 

[Douggg]

Perhaps, then; you can explain why John never did signs like calling down fire from heaven, like Elijah did?
Did John do any reconciling, as the end times Elijah, as prophesied: will do?

While John was not Elijah, one of the two witnesses in Revelation 11 is likely to be Elijah. And at the same time, the false prophet first mentioned in Revelation 13, will also claim to be Elijah, because the false prophet will also call fire down from heaven. Matthew 24:24 indicates false prophets surfacing.

And also that the prince who shall come has to be anointed by a known prophet to become the King of Israel/Messiah coming in his own name to be the Antichrist. i.e. the false prophet posing as Elijah will anoint him King of Israel/Messiah (but unapproved by God to be the king)

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What does Christ say? John may not realize that he has the spirit and power of Elijah.

Preaching in the spirit and power of Eliyahu does not make John actually Eliyahu himself...