Electoral College

[SilverBear]

So you're confirming the accuracy of what I wrote. It's nothing new, unique, or novel if some people will not accept Biden.

the accuracy is that "not my president" was around years before Trump came to office

 

[Albion]

the accuracy is that "not my president" was around years before Trump came to office

It was, but was not commonly used. Also, and as your cut and paste pic indicated, the meaning was different from the meaning as was popularized by the opponents of President Trump who were determined not to even acknowledge that he'd won the Presidency. Very different.

 

[SilverBear]

not co

It was, but was not commonly used. Also, and as your cut and paste pic indicated, the meaning was different from the meaning as was popularized by the opponents of President Trump who were determined not to even acknowledge that he'd won the Presidency. Very different.

Not commonly used? What a joke

 

[hedrick]

More like part of the crowd.

Or, carrying on the tradition.

After all, many Democrats, including the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016, took that same position and made it known publicly. You remember the people who were seen in numerous public gatherings holding up signs that read, "Not My President."

I felt that way. That doesn’t mean I thought the election was fake.

 

[parousia70]

If HOR or Senate members object to let's say Pennsylvania, then what's to stop the opposition to object to, let's say Texas?

What a great Idea.
Maybe the Dems should get the jump on Republicans and be the first to Object?

Are the states read off in alphabetical order?
If so, the Alabama is 1st to be read... Dems should immediately object and continue to object to every republican won state... force the republicans to do the same. It will surely cause the event to last a couple days, but it'll take the venom out of the Elephant's stinger....

 

[Thomas White]

What a great Idea.
Maybe the Dems should get the jump on Republicans and be the first to Object?

Are the states read off in alphabetical order?
If so, the Alabama is 1st to be read... Dems should immediately object and continue to object to every republican won state... force the republicans to do the same. It will surely cause the event to last a couple days, but it'll take the venom out of the Elephant's stinger....

Fortunately, debate on objections is limited to two hours, no matter how many objections are made.

 

[parousia70]

Fortunately, debate on objections is limited to two hours, no matter how many objections are made.

I thought it was two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state?

 

[Thomas White]

I thought it was two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state?

No. The objections are taken after the votes are tallied. Then, they recess to debate the objections separately. The objections can be about individual states or about the electoral vote as a whole. The recess cannot last more than two hours. No senator or representative can speak more than five minutes.

Note: A senator and a representative must sign off on every objection, and objections must be in writing. After McConnell's speech today, it is unlikely that any senator will sign off on the objection.

3 U.S. Code § 15:

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

 

[A_JAY]

Reading 3 USC 15 was a tough slog. I missed where it indicated that was a maximum two hour recess.

 

[Thomas White]

Reading 3 USC 15 was a tough slog. I missed where it indicated that was a maximum two hour recess.

The two hour limit is not in the code. It's a procedural protocol.

 

[A_JAY]

3 USC 15 makes reference to Section 5 which appears to be the day that has been called Safe Harbor Day, and the law attaches importance to that date as being authoritative.

I don't see "alternate electors" or any such concept in here. It refers to the authorities of the State that certify elections, and mentions "tribunals" in there, but nothing like the electoral "reenactors" that have occurred in several states.

Comments?

 

[Thomas White]

3 USC 15 makes reference to Section 5 which appears to be the day that has been called Safe Harbor Day, and the law attaches importance to that date as being authoritative.

I don't see "alternate electors" or any such concept in here. It refers to the authorities of the State that certify elections, and mentions "tribunals" in there, but nothing like the electoral "reenactors" that have occurred in several states.

Comments?

They are just actors in grand political theatre. The "alternate electors" have no legal standing, despite what they claim.

 

[Andrewn]

3 USC 15 makes reference to Section 5 which appears to be the day that has been called Safe Harbor Day, and the law attaches importance to that date as being authoritative.

I don't see "alternate electors" or any such concept in here. It refers to the authorities of the State that certify elections, and mentions "tribunals" in there, but nothing like the electoral "reenactors" that have occurred in several states.

Comments?

I see Safe Harbor Day as authoritative. Only Wisconsin missed that day and its electors can be challenged on Jan 6th. But I'm in no way an expert.

 

[alan650]

More like part of the crowd.

Or, carrying on the tradition.

After all, many Democrats, including the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016, took that same position and made it known publicly. You remember the people who were seen in numerous public gatherings holding up signs that read, "Not My President."

Hillary conceded the election to Trump like 2 days after the election? She admitted he won. The Democrats never said that Trump fraudulently stole the election. Just because people disagreed with Trump on who he is as a person and vehemently hated that he was elected it does not equate to the outright sedition of Republicans on capitol Hill and Trump himself trying to overturn the will of the American people in our recent election! Not even close. They literally are peddling lie after lie that is baseless conspiracy theories with no actual evidence in courts to back it up. If there was actual fraud then he wouldn't of had over 50 courts cases tossed out because there was no evidence. WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? The overwhelmingly conservative Supreme Court, ultimate law of our land, didn't even hear the Texas case because they knew it was baseless.

 

[Albion]

Hillary conceded the election to Trump like 2 days after the election? She admitted he won.

And then, for the next four years, she was saying he was an "illegitimate" president who actually had not won.

So perhaps it comes down to this...

Is it worse to wait until the conclusion of all the steps that are needed before anyone becomes the winner--recounts (if any), electoral college meets and votes, President of the Senate counts the votes and announces the result, etc.--OR is it worse to insist throughout the term of office of the one who was elected and inaugurated that our government is illegitimate??

 

[alan650]

And then, for the next four years, she was saying he was an "illegitimate" president who actually had not won.

So perhaps it comes down to this...

Is it worse to wait until the conclusion of all the steps that are needed before anyone becomes the winner--recounts (if any), electoral college meets and votes, President of the Senate counts the votes and announces the result, etc.--OR is it worse to insist throughout the term of office of the one who was elected and inaugurated that our government is illegitimate??

Sigh. If you seriously are on board with what manipulations and outrageous things the republican party is doing I literally can't help you see reason and show the differences in situations to you.

 

[Albion]

Great. Thanks.

 

[parousia70]

And then, for the next four years, she was saying he was an "illegitimate" president

I can only find one time where she said that. Can you link to the multiple times over the four years where she continued to say that over and over?

 

[Albion]

I can only find one time where she said that. Can you link to the multiple times over the four years where she continued to say that over and over?

Sure, but I still don't understand why you guys cannot use a search engine yourselves.

Here's one instance from 2019:
Hillary Rodham Clinton: Trump is a "corrupt human tornado," former Secretary of State says in exclusive interview - CBS News

And another, in which you can hear it directly from her own mouth:
Crooked Hillary Calls Donald Trump An "Illegitimate President" (VIDEO) (thegatewaypundit.com)

And here is one from this year (2020):
Hillary Clinton Calls Trump’s Victory ‘Illegitimate’ In Bitter Rant On The Daily Show Last Night - MAGA Conservative (magaconservatives.com)

And it goes on.....

 

[parousia70]

So perhaps it comes down to this...

Is it worse to wait until the conclusion of all the steps that are needed before anyone becomes the winner--recounts (if any), electoral college meets and votes, President of the Senate counts the votes and announces the result, etc.--OR is it worse to insist throughout the term of office of the one who was elected and inaugurated that our government is illegitimate??

Yet you would agree Trump has not "waited" for any of these things before declaring He "Won Big" right?