Electoral College

[Albion]

Yet you would agree Trump has not "waited" for any of these things before declaring He "Won Big" right?

That either Biden or Trump declared that they won the election doesn't mean anything important. It certainly is taken in stride by me because it's the kind of thing any candidate might say, whether bragging or trying to save face.

What does matter, however, is what was covered in the previous posts.

 

[parousia70]

That either Biden or Trump declared that they won the election doesn't mean anything important. It certainly is taken in stride by me because it's the kind of thing any candidate might say, whether bragging or trying to save face.

What does matter, however, is what was covered in the previous posts.

Got it. I look forward to your unwavering effort in the years to come to support the legitimacy of the inaugurated president and defend his legitimacy against all claims of Illegitimacy that arise.

 

[parousia70]

No. The objections are taken after the votes are tallied. Then, they recess to debate the objections separately. The objections can be about individual states or about the electoral vote as a whole. The recess cannot last more than two hours. No senator or representative can speak more than five minutes.

Note: A senator and a representative must sign off on every objection, and objections must be in writing. After McConnell's speech today, it is unlikely that any senator will sign off on the objection.

3 U.S. Code § 15:

Congress shall be in session on the sixth day of January succeeding every meeting of the electors. The Senate and House of Representatives shall meet in the Hall of the House of Representatives at the hour of 1 o’clock in the afternoon on that day, and the President of the Senate shall be their presiding officer. Two tellers shall be previously appointed on the part of the Senate and two on the part of the House of Representatives, to whom shall be handed, as they are opened by the President of the Senate, all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates of the electoral votes, which certificates and papers shall be opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A; and said tellers, having then read the same in the presence and hearing of the two Houses, shall make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the said certificates; and the votes having been ascertained and counted according to the rules in this subchapter provided, the result of the same shall be delivered to the President of the Senate, who shall thereupon announce the state of the vote, which announcement shall be deemed a sufficient declaration of the persons, if any, elected President and Vice President of the United States, and, together with a list of the votes, be entered on the Journals of the two Houses. Upon such reading of any such certificate or paper, the President of the Senate shall call for objections, if any. Every objection shall be made in writing, and shall state clearly and concisely, and without argument, the ground thereof, and shall be signed by at least one Senator and one Member of the House of Representatives before the same shall be received. When all objections so made to any vote or paper from a State shall have been received and read, the Senate shall thereupon withdraw, and such objections shall be submitted to the Senate for its decision; and the Speaker of the House of Representatives shall, in like manner, submit such objections to the House of Representatives for its decision; and no electoral vote or votes from any State which shall have been regularly given by electors whose appointment has been lawfully certified to according to section 6 of this title from which but one return has been received shall be rejected, but the two Houses concurrently may reject the vote or votes when they agree that such vote or votes have not been so regularly given by electors whose appointment has been so certified. If more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State shall have been received by the President of the Senate, those votes, and those only, shall be counted which shall have been regularly given by the electors who are shown by the determination mentioned in section 5 of this title to have been appointed, if the determination in said section provided for shall have been made, or by such successors or substitutes, in case of a vacancy in the board of electors so ascertained, as have been appointed to fill such vacancy in the mode provided by the laws of the State; but in case there shall arise the question which of two or more of such State authorities determining what electors have been appointed, as mentioned in section 5 of this title, is the lawful tribunal of such State, the votes regularly given of those electors, and those only, of such State shall be counted whose title as electors the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide is supported by the decision of such State so authorized by its law; and in such case of more than one return or paper purporting to be a return from a State, if there shall have been no such determination of the question in the State aforesaid, then those votes, and those only, shall be counted which the two Houses shall concurrently decide were cast by lawful electors appointed in accordance with the laws of the State, unless the two Houses, acting separately, shall concurrently decide such votes not to be the lawful votes of the legally appointed electors of such State. But if the two Houses shall disagree in respect of the counting of such votes, then, and in that case, the votes of the electors whose appointment shall have been certified by the executive of the State, under the seal thereof, shall be counted. When the two Houses have voted, they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted. No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of.

I guess they didn’t follow the code then, did they?

 

[A_JAY]

No they didn't. Apparently the code envisions only one objection 2 hours. The Senate and House modified it because they were anticipating up to 6 objections. I was surprised to see the House only convened after the Senate had an objection and they voted on the objection. I think this kept some of the hardcore off their soapbox. I envisioned they would debate/vote concurrently. I think Mitch used his bully pulpit and cooled some of the potential seditionists.

 

[A_JAY]

Actually, I don't think the code or Article XII mention anything about the two hours. I think that has been accepted practice.

 

[Andrewn]

Some media outlets kept saying that congress was meeting to "certify the votes." This is misleading. Votes were already certified by the states. Congress job is only to count, tally, tabulate the certified votes. CBS pointed this out.

 

[Thomas White]

I guess they didn’t follow the code then, did they?

Why do you say that?

 

[parousia70]

Why do you say that?

Well, when I mentioned that I believed they adjourned for 2 hours after each objection to a particular state's vote count, as it was raised in real time, instead of a one time, two hour session debating ALL objections to ALL states raised after all votes were tallied, you responded with:

No. The objections are taken after the votes are tallied. Then, they recess to debate the objections separately. The objections can be about individual states or about the electoral vote as a whole. The recess cannot last more than two hours. No senator or representative can speak more than five minutes.

Note: A senator and a representative must sign off on every objection, and objections must be in writing. After McConnell's speech today, it is unlikely that any senator will sign off on the objection.

3 U.S. Code § 15:

I watched the count. They indeed recessed after each individual objection for the separate debate, they did not wait till the end and do it once, after all votes were tallied, as you indicated 3 U.S. Code § 15 mandated.

Hence, my comment, "I guess they didn't follow the code".

Hope that clears up your query.

 

[Thomas White]

Well, when I mentioned that I believed they adjourned for 2 hours after each objection to a particular state's vote count, as it was raised in real time, instead of a one time, two hour session debating ALL objections to ALL states raised after all votes were tallied, you responded with:



I watched the count. They indeed recessed after each individual objection for the separate debate, they did not wait till the end and do it once, after all votes were tallied, as you indicated 3 U.S. Code § 15 mandated.

Hence, my comment, "I guess they didn't follow the code".

Hope that clears up your query.

As I said, the recess lasted two hours. It did not go over. Then they reconvened. After the next state's vote was tallied, they raised an objection to that state and went into another recess. That recess did not exceed two hours. How is that different from what I said?

 

[parousia70]

As I said, the recess lasted two hours. It did not go over. Then they reconvened. After the next state's vote was tallied, they raised an objection to that state and went into another recess. That recess did not exceed two hours. How is that different from what I said?

Here's my recollection.
I made this comment:
What a great Idea.
Maybe the Dems should get the jump on Republicans and be the first to Object?

Are the states read off in alphabetical order?
If so, the Alabama is 1st to be read... Dems should immediately object and continue to object to every republican won state... force the republicans to do the same. It will surely cause the event to last a couple days, but it'll take the venom out of the Elephant's stinger....

You then replied:
Fortunately, debate on objections is limited to two hours, no matter how many objections are made.

To which I said:
I thought it was two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state?

To which your reply was:

No. (which is clearly different from what you are saying now)

You continue:
The objections are taken after the votes are tallied. Then, they recess to debate the objections separately. The objections can be about individual states or about the electoral vote as a whole. The recess cannot last more than two hours.

Here's how it's Different;
This is not what happened during the counting of the votes... what actually happened was what I originally explained when I said:

"[there is a limit of] two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state"

To which you replied "No".

But the way it went down says "Yes". They were allocated two hours of debate PER OBJECTION, and adjourned Immediately after each objection was made to debate only that objection., they returned to counting, then another objection was made (Pennsylvania) and they adjourned immediately to debate that objection, which which they had ANOTHER two hours available to do so...

That's how it's different from what you said.

 

[Thomas White]

Here's my recollection.
I made this comment:
What a great Idea.
Maybe the Dems should get the jump on Republicans and be the first to Object?

Are the states read off in alphabetical order?
If so, the Alabama is 1st to be read... Dems should immediately object and continue to object to every republican won state... force the republicans to do the same. It will surely cause the event to last a couple days, but it'll take the venom out of the Elephant's stinger....

You then replied:
Fortunately, debate on objections is limited to two hours, no matter how many objections are made.

To which I said:
I thought it was two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state?

To which your reply was:

No. (which is clearly different from what you are saying now)

You continue:
The objections are taken after the votes are tallied. Then, they recess to debate the objections separately. The objections can be about individual states or about the electoral vote as a whole. The recess cannot last more than two hours.

Here's how it's Different;
This is not what happened during the counting of the votes... what actually happened was what I originally explained when I said:

"[there is a limit of] two hours per objection, and they had to adjourn to debate immediately after the objection is lodged against a particular state"

To which you replied "No".

But the way it went down says "Yes". They were allocated two hours of debate PER OBJECTION, and adjourned Immediately after each objection was made to debate only that objection., they returned to counting, then another objection was made (Pennsylvania) and they adjourned immediately to debate that objection, which which they had ANOTHER two hours available to do so...

That's how it's different from what you said.

Oh, yes. I was wrong about the two hours per objection.

 

[A_JAY]

I see Safe Harbor Day as authoritative. Only Wisconsin missed that day and its electors can be challenged on Jan 6th. But I'm in no way an expert.

As it turned out there is no safe harbour day. I was nervous about it. I became sick about it worrying
about what could happen. And I believe I was correct. To paraphrase something Abraham Lincoln said -- Now it is up to us to long remember what THEY did here on January 6.