Electoral College

[SilverBear]

I know Biden will win. We however as Christians aren't required to accept it.

Does that make you sore loosers or unAmerican?

 

[Andrewn]

Never, the election belongs to President Trump and it was stolen from Americans

Extraterrestrial Aliens stole the elections?

 

[Isilwen]

Extraterrestrial Aliens stole the elections?

I think it's more saying that if you voted for Biden you are unAmerican and the true Americans are those who voted for Trump.

 

[Andrewn]

I disagree with "Officially decided" as it still has to be accepted by the House and the Senate in January...they can reject the electoral college votes whether they are for Trump OR Biden. Consequently, nothing is or will be "officially decided" today at all.

Dec 8th was called "Safe Harbor Day" for a reason:

"Under the law, Congress must count the electoral votes from states that chose their electors and resolve any legal disputes over the choices by the act's deadline, which is six days before the electors meet to vote."

"If, for example, a state legislature decided to send in its own slate, the law says the electors chosen by popular vote and certified by the governor must be counted by Congress from states that met the safe harbor deadline."

What 'safe harbor day' is and why it's bad news for Trump

 

[Andrewn]

Trump does not have the numbers in the House, even if every Republican sides with him.

Trump does not have the numbers in the House, even if every Republican sides with him.

But:

"In the case of an Electoral College deadlock or if no candidate receives the majority of votes, a 'contingent election' is held. The election of the President goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation casts one vote for one of the top three contenders to determine a winner."

Would this provision apply in 2020 election?

 

[Archivist]

Never, the election belongs to President Trump and it was stolen from Americans

And where is the proof of this?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Yes, without any doubt or hesitation.

Even if Trump is elected? See...I made you hesitate!

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I know Biden will win. We however as Christians aren't required to accept it.

Nobody is required to accept it. But it probably won't be a bad idea to accept it. After all, even Daniel accepted the rule of Nebuchadnezzar.

 

[Thomas White]

But:

"In the case of an Electoral College deadlock or if no candidate receives the majority of votes, a 'contingent election' is held. The election of the President goes to the House of Representatives. Each state delegation casts one vote for one of the top three contenders to determine a winner."

Would this provision apply in 2020 election?

No. In the case of an objection to the Electoral College's vote, the two chambers would recess and debate the objection. Then, each chamber would vote whether or not to sustain the objection to the Electoral College's vote. Only if both the House and the Senate vote to sustain the objection would the Electoral College's vote be rejected. If only one of the two chambers do so, the objection is overruled, and the Electoral College's vote proceeds. If the objection is sustained, it would fall to the House to vote for president and the Senate to vote for vice president. Because Democrats control the House, the objection (in the unlikely case there will be one) will not be sustained.

 

[Albion]

Does that make you sore loosers or unAmerican?

More like part of the crowd.

Or, carrying on the tradition.

After all, many Democrats, including the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016, took that same position and made it known publicly. You remember the people who were seen in numerous public gatherings holding up signs that read, "Not My President."

 

[Zanting]

When the results of the electoral college go to the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence can most definitely reject them and then it goes to the House. This is a well known process and consequently, nothing has been "officially decided" at all.

 

[A_JAY]

We know that the Electoral College did not deadlock. Joe Biden won 306 votes to Trump 232.

On January 6 those objections must be towards individual States. The House and Senate votes separately on each objection. Both houses must sustain the objection for the objection to prevail.

270 votes elects.

A point to consider: If HOR or Senate members object to let's say Pennsylvania, then what's to stop the opposition to object to, let's say Texas? That's the problem with playing politics with our electoral system.

 

[SilverBear]

More like part of the crowd.

Or, carrying on the tradition.

After all, many Democrats, including the Presidential nominee of the Democratic Party in 2016, took that same position and made it known publicly. You remember the people who were seen in numerous public gatherings holding up signs that read, "Not My President."

 

[Albion]

So you're confirming the accuracy of what I wrote. It's nothing new, unique, or novel if some people will not accept Biden.

However, we ought, as a matter of fairness, acknowledge that the sentiment that lies behind this poster about Obama that you've found does not compare with the opposition of people of who have taken the position that either the 2016 election or the 2020 election were fraudulent.

 

[Thomas White]

When the results of the electoral college go to the Senate, Vice President Mike Pence can most definitely reject them and then it goes to the House. This is a well known process and consequently, nothing has been "officially decided" at all.

That is not how the process works. An objection has to be raised from one senator and one representative. The two chambers then recess to debate the objection. Only if both chambers sustain the objection does the vote for president go to the House. If the two chambers disagree, then the objection is overruled and the Electoral College vote proceeds.

 

[Andrewn]

Only if both the House and the Senate vote to sustain the objection would the Electoral College's vote be rejected.

This provision sounds dangerous as in a different future election where both the House and the Senate are from the same political party and that party is corrupt (as most Republicans now are), they could hypothetically change the election result!!

Or do they have to approve certifications submitted before Safe Harbor Day?

 

[Thomas White]

This provision sounds dangerous as in a different future election where both the House and the Senate are from the same political party and that party is corrupt (as most Republicans now are), they could hypothetically change the election result!!

Or do they have to approve certifications submitted before Safe Harbor Day?

Fortunately, Congress knows that setting such a precedent would open it up to having the same thing done in the future. It won't happen.

 

[A_JAY]

This provision sounds dangerous as in a different future election where both the House and the Senate are from the same political party and that party is corrupt (as most Republicans now are), they could hypothetically change the election result!!

It certainly does.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Fortunately, Congress knows that setting such a precedent would open it up to having the same thing done in the future. It won't happen.

Except we have seen with supreme court nominations the precedence doesn't mater.

 

[Thomas White]

Except we have seen with supreme court nominations the precedence doesn't mater.

That is why our votes are important. We can talk about single issues all we want, but if we abandon everything else to vote for single issue candidates, we ignore the real power Congress wields. We have deluded ourselves into believing that politics does not affect us when in reality politics affects everything. In the United States, our daily lives are shaped by the way we vote.