!!!!! Ebola !!!!

[Gnarwhal]

Now we are hearing about the vaccine for ebola....Cause fear -- create untested vaccine -- force vaccine in the oligarchic society the US has become -- watch people die from the vaccine -- blame the deaths on the disease. And there you have it -- population control

There's always a conspiracy theory or two like this. People love to gravitate towards hysteria and feel important by pretending they know something others don't.

 

[AMDG]

Charlie, since you seem to be "freaking out" over the ebola thing, thought I'd add something more for you to "freak out" about:

Medical Expert: Ebola Virus May Be Airborne

(according to a Canadian study or so)

About that untested vaccine, anyone see the movie "Legend"?

 

[bmalt]

There's always a conspiracy theory or two like this. People love to gravitate towards hysteria and feel important by pretending they know something others don't.

It's about watching and praying always...as we are instructed to do in Luke 21:36

 

[ChesterKhan]

Ok, I hope you have your attention.
...

Thank you for your attention.

Ebola-chan?

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Charlie, since you seem to be "freaking out" over the ebola thing, thought I'd add something more for you to "freak out" about:

Medical Expert: Ebola Virus May Be Airborne

(according to a Canadian study or so)

About that untested vaccine, anyone see the movie "Legend"?

I don't need hyperbole or untested vaccines

all I need is a report from someone on the ground.

Since the mainstream media is too busy with dancing with the stars or whatever -

Underestimated and Ignored, Growing Ebola Epidemic Requires Unprecedented Global Mobilization | Democracy Now!

This is 12 minutes of 10 kinds of terrifying. Among the highlights:

1) No one is the Western world seems to understand this is a global problem
2) There is a new strain breaking out in the Congo
3) 2/3 of new cases are not being quarantined and are being cared for at home.
4) The will likely be 250,000 sick people by Christmas (and since it is believed there are 3 unreported cases for ever confirmed case it's actually 1 million case)
5) It might be too late to stop the epidemic.

 

[Gnarwhal]

It's about watching and praying always...as we are instructed to do in Luke 21:36

Trying to convince people there's a conspiracy with vaccinations has nothing to do with following Christ. It has everything to do with unqualified individuals playing doctor.

Opinions like yours are the reason we had outbreaks like the Measles outbreak earlier this year. People tell their friends that vaccines are bad because XY&Z and they shouldn't get them because the vaccines are "deadly". So the fear is planted, the vaccines are refused and then their kids contract the measles, spread it to their classmates and presto - you have children hospitalized because they didn't receive preventative treatment.

If a vaccination were even possible for Ebola (so far experts say it's not because each outbreak tends to be a different strain), then telling people not to get it would be tantamount to telling them to kill themselves.

 

[AMDG]

Well, here you go Charlie. The CDC has confirmed a case of Ebola in Dallas, Texas.

 

[Armoured]

Well, here you go Charlie. The CDC has confirmed a case of Ebola in Dallas, Texas.

Are you going to Texas to help out? Remember, masks are for wussies.

 

[CryOfALion]

Ebola is a hemorrhagic illness, like scurvy. Also like scurvy, it isn't that vitamin C cures the fever, it is because your vitamin c has been depleted, and coagulation of blood fails - so replacing the vitamin c in large enough doses until your body can build immunity is paramount in survival. Vitamin C is important in strengthening cell structure, and is used to reduce post surgical bleeding. It is also an antioxidant and antibiotic.

However, I am not diagnosing, so I would suggest people talk to an honest MD, and/or conduct your own scientific search. Do not let scoffing and ridicule cause you to obtain a very preventable and treatable illness.

 

[Genersis]

This whole thing has made me feel pretty awful.

This is the first Ebola outbreak in my memory(so correct me if I'm wrong) that has gained relatively significant media attention, and not long after talk of the disease possibly spreading to developed countries arises does an experimental treatment surface.
Not only that, but it seems to of only been used on one individual, a returning nurse.

I can't help but feel we would of continued to sit on our hands if it wasn't for the threat being talked of as possibly going intercontinental, and it seems, at least as of now, we have little interest in using this experimental cure in the afflicted African countries(I know, it is experimental and not ready for wide deployment, but it just feels so...wrong).

I really hope I'm just terribly misinformed/viewing it unreasonably cynically.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Well now that Ebola has arrived, Charlie will spin off his original spin, all the while whistling past the grave yard. Charlie awaits Dear Leaders twitter orders.

There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Well now that Ebola has arrived, Charlie will spin off his original spin, all the while whistling past the grave yard. Charlie awaits Dear Leaders twitter orders.

bless you

(yes that's that a euphemism)

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

This whole thing has made me feel pretty awful.

This is the first Ebola outbreak in my memory(so correct me if I'm wrong) that has gained relatively significant media attention, and not long after talk of the disease possibly spreading to developed countries arises does an experimental treatment surface.
Not only that, but it seems to of only been used on one individual, a returning nurse.

I can't help but feel we would of continued to sit on our hands if it wasn't for the threat being talked of as possibly going intercontinental, and it seems, at least as of now, we have little interest in using this experimental cure in the afflicted African countries(I know, it is experimental and not ready for wide deployment, but it just feels so...wrong).

I really hope I'm just terribly misinformed/viewing it unreasonably cynically.

The thing is every Ebola outbreak in history, prior to this one, never had a second wave.

It usually hit somewhere, everyone ran for the hills and it burned itself out.

This one got a second wave, got into a big city that was a center of commerce, jumped two international borders and got into the general population in countries that don't have good medical infrastructures.

The international community didn't couldn't get ahead of it before it got out of hand.

NOW...

....we've got the chaos you'd expect.

Rumors that it's a commie/capitalist/medical plot and that the epidemic is artificial.
People not reporting themselves or their families as sick because of fear
People stealing dead Ebola peoples clothes, beds, sheet, etc after they are dead.
Crazy people claiming this is Obama's fault for not addressing the Latin illegal problem
Crazy people claiming the CDC is actually responsible for the epidemic
The media is America being hysterical about the whole thing because if it bleeds it leads and Ebola causes a lot of bleeding.

..and my personal favorite:

This is a plague sent by God to punish us for (insert your least favorite sexual sin here).
If this gets into Europe or Central Asia (and it may already be there - anywhere this isn't much medical infrastructure won't find it until it gets around) were going to have some trouble stopping it.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

bless you

(yes that's that a euphemism)

A double blessing back.

 

[Genersis]

The thing is every Ebola outbreak in history, prior to this one, never had a second wave.

It usually hit somewhere, everyone ran for the hills and it burned itself out.

This one got a second wave, got into a big city that was a center of commerce, jumped two international borders and got into the general population in countries that don't have good medical infrastructures.

The international community didn't couldn't get ahead of it before it got out of hand.

I guess I made the assumption that we tend to work towards treatments for most highly lethal diseases.

Secondly, I guess I'm also still making the assumption that there wasn't already research going that was fast tracked once this outbreak came to light. Especially with the occurrence of a second wave.

NOW...

....we've got the chaos you'd expect.

Rumors that it's a commie/capitalist/medical plot and that the epidemic is artificial.
People not reporting themselves or their families as sick because of fear
People stealing dead Ebola peoples clothes, beds, sheet, etc after they are dead.
Crazy people claiming this is Obama's fault for not addressing the Latin illegal problem
Crazy people claiming the CDC is actually responsible for the epidemic
The media is America being hysterical about the whole thing because if it bleeds it leads and Ebola causes a lot of bleeding.

..and my personal favorite:

This is a plague sent by God to punish us for (insert your least favorite sexual sin here).

I find the conspiracy theories and the divine retribution blame game pretty disgusting, but c'est la vie, and all that.

If this gets into Europe or Central Asia (and it may already be there - anywhere this isn't much medical infrastructure won't find it until it gets around) were going to have some trouble stopping it.

Personally, I think it unlikely to cause extensive damage in developed countries.

As long as the public does not become too panicked.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I guess I made the assumption that we tend to work towards treatments for most highly lethal diseases.

Secondly, I guess I'm also still making the assumption that there wasn't already research going that was fast tracked once this outbreak came to light. Especially with the occurrence of a second wave.

I find the conspiracy theories and the divine retribution blame game pretty disgusting, but c'est la vie, and all that.


Personally, I think it unlikely to cause extensive damage in developed countries.

As long as the public does not become too panicked.

This highlighted line is the reason for the lack of research

There is no money in creating a cure for a disease that the people getting it can't pay for.

 

[Genersis]

This highlighted line is the reason for the lack of research

There is no money in creating a cure for a disease that the people getting it can't pay for.

Is money really that much of a factor?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't large scale action taken over smallpox free of charge in poorer countries?
Presumably, via charities who paid for the vaccine?
Though I guess vaccines and treatments post-infection could be two entirely different kettles of fish.

I guess it's relevant to mention that I've heard the experimental medicine that was used is very slow to manufacture, so that highlights that practicality is probably a major reason for what I perceived as a lack of investment in aiding African countries .
(My apologies for my vagueness, I'm not too good at remembering important specifics)

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Is money really that much of a factor?
Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't large scale action taken over smallpox free of charge in poorer countries?
Presumably, via charities who paid for the vaccine?
Though I guess vaccines and treatments post-infection could be two entirely different kettles of fish.

America used to be a country that did this kind of thing.

But, not since the '80's.

Now, if it doesn't make money, it doesn't get done.

Or, more to the point, unless it can make money, it's not worth doing.

I guess it's relevant to mention that I've heard the experimental medicine that was used is very slow to manufacture, so that highlights that practicality is probably a major reason for what I perceived as a lack of investment in aiding African countries .
(My apologies for my vagueness, I'm not too good at remembering important specifics)

This is my understanding as well

 

[AMDG]

The CDC said that it will be mid-2015 IF THAT before there is anything like a medication or a vaccine for it. I guess in the meantime we just need to "wash our hands". (I hear alcohol wipes are good at killing the virus too--of course KFC just banned them--not "halal" or something.)

BTW I hear that there's another case in Texas and yet another in Hawaii. Have also heard that patient #1 in Texas exposed five teens to ebola and several family members.

 

[MikeK]

The CDC said that it will be mid-2015 IF THAT before there is anything like a medication or a vaccine for it. I guess in the meantime we just need to "wash our hands". (I hear alcohol wipes are good at killing the virus too--of course KFC just banned them--not "halal" or something.)

BTW I hear that there's another case in Texas and yet another in Hawaii. Have also heard that patient #1 in Texas exposed five teens to ebola and several family members.

Don't believe every batguano email forward you read. KFC did not ban alcohol hand wipes in their halal restaraunts, an individual store in the UK did and they have since been corrected by headquarters.