!!!!! Ebola !!!!

[Lollerskates]

Actually it's a bit easier to get then HIV which usually requires intimate contact.

I know, which is my point.

Ebola is not airborne but is very easily spread by saliva, blood, sweat, etc.

Traditionally, it is thought that it is not airborne; that is not a constant attribute. And, it is spread very EASILY... by regular metabolic secretions... so people should be worried.

Blood, sweat, saliva, mucus .....

Which is why I am ignoring the media attempt to prevent panic, you know, because the economy (not human life) may be in danger.

Well, there are several reasons but mostly because the most of the West isn't a moist, hot jungle like environment.

Ebola, that God, does not survive in dry, cool environments well an actually breaks down when exposed to direct sunlight.

It doesn't have to be JUNGLE, and the States, for example, has a very diverse climate ranging from jungle like to tundra. It is a matter of where this goes. The latitude of many major US cities would be great for incubating this ebola. And, since the States has international tourists, the spread of this can reach pandemonium.

What are you talking about ? Mounted people ?

Your first paragraph about how it is slightly easier to catch HIV should clue you in on to why I would make such a facetious statement.

Or perhaps "global" means "involving parts of the whole planet". Just because it's not happening in your neighborhood doesn't means it's not a big problem somewhere else.

That is what I meant. And, global means eventually it will happen in my neighborhood. Why are infected and potentially infected being flown on plane to their respective area - military or commercial? Why not quarantine in region? Of course it will be a global issue, because the population is being lulled to sleep until Q3.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

Your first paragraph about how it is slightly easier to catch HIV should clue you in on to why I would make such a facetious statement.

Seriously ?
Oh, for mercy sakes.

You can actually use the word "intercourse" on this board. Or "sex" or even "making the nasty"

Mounted is not only dated it's beyond fastidious and into the area of prerogatively euphemistic

"Bedded" would have been better. At least I would have gotten that reference.

 

[AMDG]

I think "mounted" was perfectly fine. It's used with farm animals, horses, dogs, and other animals--even the wild animal trek by me warns parents that during "rutting" season, their children may be exposed to this x-rated behavior of "mounting" (so there will need to be an explanation.) A rather normal term if you ask me (but then again I'm from a different age with farm animal, wild animal, and even dog breeding experience . )

 

[Redheadedstepchild]

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[MarkRohfrietsch]

Seriously ?
Oh, for mercy sakes.

You can actually use the word "intercourse" on this board. Or "sex" or even "making the nasty"

Mounted is not only dated it's beyond fastidious and into the area of prerogatively euphemistic

"Bedded" would have been better. At least I would have gotten that reference.

I was thinking Royal Canadian "Mounted" Police...

Sorry, I could not resist.

 

[Lollerskates]

I think "mounted" was perfectly fine. It's used with farm animals, horses, dogs, and other animals--even the wild animal trek by me warns parents that during "rutting" season, their children may be exposed to this x-rated behavior of "mounting" (so there will need to be an explanation.) A rather normal term if you ask me (but then again I'm from a different age with farm animal, wild animal, and even dog breeding experience . )

I'm a "country boy" from Texas.

But, I have also lived and traveled around the world. I thought "mounted" was quite safe, and cosmopolitan. But my cynical side expected problems from at least one...

 

[Lollerskates]

I was thinking Royal Canadian "Mounted" Police...

Sorry, I could not resist.

In all honesty, I meant this definition also. The image in my mind was a doctor on top of a patient, mounted, breathing in all CO2, mucus, sweat and all possible essence of the patient. In other words, what are they doing to get it transmitted to them, if it is supposedly so hard to transmit?

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

In all honesty, I meant this definition also. The image in my mind was a doctor on top of a patient, mounted, breathing in all CO2, mucus, sweat and all possible essence of the patient. In other words, what are they doing to get it transmitted to them, if it is supposedly so hard to transmit?

Which is why I was speculating and asked about a preexisting condition which may make one more susceptible to the Ebola virus. Could it be that there is another geographically local infective agent that may be compromising the immune response?

 

[Lollerskates]

Which is why I was speculating and asked about a preexisting condition which may make one more susceptible to the Ebola virus. Could it be that there is another geographically local infective agent that may be compromising the immune response?

Who knows, everyone is looking "right," right now, but few are paying attention to that direction.

And, if it is ebola, which specific genetic markers is this ebola most favorable for, and what type of life/environment does the potential infected have to have? The reason why this is troubling is because it would suggest specification and genetic favoritism, which sometimes implies weaponization.

 

[MarkRohfrietsch]

Who knows, everyone is looking "right," right now, but few are paying attention to that direction.

And, if it is ebola, which specific genetic markers is this ebola most favorable for, and what type of life/environment does the potential infected have to have? The reason why this is troubling is because it would suggest specification and genetic favoritism, which sometimes implies weaponization.

While it could suggest that, all viruses have genetic favoritism; and some that do, do adapt and change the preference. A couple of examples would be swine flu and bird flu; both have jumped to humans from time to time.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Which is why I was speculating and asked about a preexisting condition which may make one more susceptible to the Ebola virus. Could it be that there is another geographically local infective agent that may be compromising the immune response?

In West Africa? There's any number of things. Off hand the drinking water is often substandard at best, I mean unsafe drinking water claims more lives than all forms of violence including war so you can imagine how it would at the very least weaken a persons immune system to the point where it would be slightly more susceptible to contracting Ebola. Then there's the likelihood that infected individuals and viral carriers could easily be in close proximity to uninfected individuals and a sneeze or cough could be all it takes to spread it. Considering there's far less infrastructure to manage outbreaks in Africa, the idea of the infected walking amongst the uninfected is a far more likely reality than it is here.

On another note, the latest news about the patients arrival to Emory hospital in Atlanta shows this guy is in complete quarantine, they aren't taking any chances. He arrived in a clean suit in a specialized medical airplane, was delivered via ambulance to the hospital and given a wide berth by all except the designated personnel assigned to handle his case.

 

[Lollerskates]

In the laboratory, infection through small-particle aerosols has been demonstrated in primates, and airborne spread among humans is strongly suspected, although it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated[bless and do not curse](1,[bless and do not curse]6,[bless and do not curse]13). The importance of this route of transmission is not clear. Poor hygienic conditions can aid the spread of the virus[bless and do not curse](6).

Ebola virus - Pathogen Safety Data Sheets


This is why I do not believe the doctors who are all but sure 1) ebola is extremely hard to contract (the route of transmission is unclear,) and 2) that you need an act of Congress/bodily fluid transfers ONLY to communicate the ebola (strongly suggested airborne possible, but of course unclear.)

If anyone lives in the States, you should really check your federal registerr...

 

[Lollerskates]

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/mmrs/mass_decon.pdf

Appendix B:

Agent :: Dissemination (person to person) :: Transmission :: Incubation :: Lethality
Ebola :: Aerosol & Contact :: Moderate :: 4-16 days :: Moderate to high

I keep saying, read your respective laws and [declassified govn't] documents... and stop using conspiracy as an excuse.

 

[puregrl]

This is why I do not believe the doctors who are all but sure 1) ebola is extremely hard to contract (the route of transmission is unclear,) and 2) that you need an act of Congress/bodily fluid transfers ONLY to communicate the ebola (strongly suggested airborne possible, but of course unclear.)

If anyone lives in the States, you should really check your federal registerr...

Currently, the cdc and many other resources say contact is the way the virus is spread. This being of course blood and other bodily fluids. However, many people do not think about the fluids being transmitted via vectors which are objects that had the virus put on them such as doorknobs and keyboards. A person could sneeze or wipe their nose and then touch and object putting the virus on that object, for a period of time, then another person touches it. Then they can also have the virus. This is why handwashing is soooo important. So it is much easier than many people think to contract a contact only virus. And as you said, it is being researched as having the possibility to spreading via droplet transmission...which is even worse.

And i didnt read extremely far back in the board, but i am not sure why I should contact the federal registrar or what they would tell me.

 

[Lollerskates]

Currently, the cdc and many other resources say contact is the way the virus is spread. This being of course blood and other bodily fluids. However, many people do not think about the fluids being transmitted via vectors which are objects that had the virus put on them such as doorknobs and keyboards. A person could sneeze or wipe their nose and then touch and object putting the virus on that object, for a period of time, then another person touches it. Then they can also have the virus. This is why handwashing is soooo important. So it is much easier than many people think to contract a contact only virus. And as you said, it is being researched as having the possibility to spreading via droplet transmission...which is even worse.

And i didnt read extremely far back in the board, but i am not sure why I should contact the federal registrar or what they would tell me.

According to the Australian Military, and Canadian ministry of health, ebola can be airborne and contact. I already presented the documents. The "droplet" research has already been done last decade, which is why they know it is also airborne.

The calming of the public by saying that it is ONLY contact communicable is to 1) keep the public calm until Q3 is over, and 2) to prevent mass hysteria, and a collapse of the respective economies. Any scientist can get on TV with the backing of the DC and say any thing. The trump card for them is that no one will look up the already declassified documents that state otherwise, and all but spell out what is going on today.

The Federal Register is the daily journal of the US government. Www.federalregister.gov

It has information on patented vaccines used to treat various illnesses, information on where grant money is going, as well as other information on politics, money and so on.

 

[puregrl]

Lollerskates: I totally agree with you! I can tell you that most if not all news stations and official documents about the virus that is accessible by those who live in the united states say that it is transmitted only by contact. However, I have studied stuff like this and it is spreading way too rapidly to only be transmitted that way. So thanks for letting me know about other research that has proven that. But anyway, yes, it does seem that they are saying that it is only contact to keep the public calm. Thanks for the info on the federal register.

 

[Lollerskates]

Lollerskates: I totally agree with you! I can tell you that most if not all news stations and official documents about the virus that is accessible by those who live in the united states say that it is transmitted only by contact. However, I have studied stuff like this and it is spreading way too rapidly to only be transmitted that way. So thanks for letting me know about other research that has proven that. But anyway, yes, it does seem that they are saying that it is only contact to keep the public calm. Thanks for the info on the federal register.

No problem, be safe.

 

[puregrl]

Thanks!

 

[Lollerskates]

Postexposure protection of non-human primates against a lethal Ebola virus challenge with RNA interference: a proof-of-concept study : The Lancet

Findings

Two (66%) of three rhesus monkeys given four postexposure treatments of the pooled anti-ZEBOV siRNAs were protected from lethal ZEBOV infection, whereas all macaques given seven postexposure treatments were protected. The treatment regimen in the second study was well tolerated with minor changes in liver enzymes that might have been related to viral infection.

2010.

 

[bmjackson]

It's easy to treat actually, you just need large doses of of vitamin c to stop the connective tissue breakdown till the immune system kicks in and kills the virus. You would expect a biological warfare weapon to be easily treated. The problem is going to be the compulsory vaccines and what they are going to add to them and the consequences for anyone who refuses them.