Eating pork and shellfish is a grave sin.

[joshua_cheung]

Yes, but you know that, Jews can't reach salvation...else they'd have to be perfect.....

Yes, Jews have to write the Law of Love in their heart and humble to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Repent and baptised.

 

[servant4ever]

Joshua_Cheung,

Who's post are you refering to about Jesus teacing from a mountain? He came to fulfill the prophets and the law by bringing the new law on our hearts. It is the fulfillment of God's original purpose, to have a loving relationship with humans.

servant4ever

 

[joshua_cheung]

Joshua_Cheung,

Who's post are you refering to about Jesus teacing from a mountain? He came to fulfill the prophets and the law by bringing the new law on our hearts. It is the fulfillment of God's original purpose, to have a loving relationship with humans.

servant4ever

Matthew 5:17 is the teachings of Jesus to the Jews.

It is not a new law. Jesus just told them what the main part of the law was. The main part of God's law was Love. Not only behaviour.

 

[deu58]

Hello symes

You cannot show me one place in the New testament to say that we are not under the food laws. God cannot change. Are you really serious in saying that from say the birth of Christ that pigs are now clean. How can God change things from unclean to clean? He never did and never will.

Its not that know body can show you it is just you refuse to look. Therese almost wrote you a book and you still say " you can't show me" and " where's your proof with no spin" This is just going to be another thread of post after post you demanding show me.

yours in Christ
deu58

 

[servant4ever]

Hello Joshua,

Do you think that the new law was the most important aspects of the Ten Commandments? It was a new law because Jesus brought new aspects into it. For example, He says if a man is angry at his brother, he already commits murder. Also if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he already commits adultery.

servant4ever

 

[nephilimiyr]

Matthew 5:17 is the teachings of Jesus to the Jews.

It is not a new law. Jesus just told them what the main part of the law was. The main part of God's law was Love. Not only behaviour.

That isn't exactly true.

John 13:34, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
A new commandment does mean new, not old, does it not?

 

[growingupinhim]

I think the Old Testament Laws in itself (Mosaic Law, dietary laws, etc.) are invalid for Christians today. Jesus even broke the Sabbath (Luke 13:10-17 for instance). Jesus came to break the law and to bring grace and love to the world. We need to live in grace and love. For we know Ephesians 2:8-9, it is NOT BY WORKS we are saved, it is by grace. Then if we are not saved by the law, then why do we have to follow it? The only commands Jesus gives are based around love, love God and neighbors. Murdering is not loving neighbors. Stealing is not loving neighbors. Jesus repeats these. Jesus cares more about the heart, which the new law is written on (Jeremiah 31:33). If anyone is interested, I have a paper about this, just send me a PM and I will figure out a way to send it to you.

servant4ever

Jesus kept the law perfectly..he fuflfilled it completely..he did not break the sabbath, the pharisees accused him, but He told them that he is even Lord of the sabbath..what he did break is thier hard man made rules concering the sabbath..again Jesus who is god also wrote the ten comandments..he could not and did not break is own law..he fulfilled it for us...if we are in him we are righteoues by him. of course the law can easily be summed up by loving god and loving neighbor.

 

[joshua_cheung]

Hello Joshua,

Do you think that the new law was the most important aspects of the Ten Commandments? It was a new law because Jesus brought new aspects into it. For example, He says if a man is angry at his brother, he already commits murder. Also if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he already commits adultery.

servant4ever

Hi Servan4ever,

Yes, it is a new aspect but it is an old law. It was just a new understanding that the Jews did not understand.

No. Angry is not a sin. I am angry if my son doesn't listen to me. This is not a sin. However if angry without self-control can lead to murder.

Yes, if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he already commits adultery.
How about if I am attractive to her beauty or her body shape? I don't think it is a sin. However I should be sef-control. Remember, we are human beings. We like to see and love beautiful women. However we should avoid our mind or heart that we have her or have sex with her because she does not belong to us (Compare to the Ten commandments).

Different understanding lead to different conclusion. Right.

 

[servant4ever]

growingupinhim,

Jesus did break the Sabbath laws. Luke 13:10-17 states that Jesus healed on the Sabbath. The reason why it is breaking the Sabbath is because the woman was not in immediate danger to be healed. It was tradition in the Biblical Times that it was alright to do medical procedures on the Sabbath if it was life-threatening. This situation the woman was not in a life-threatening circumstance. I can't think of the reference here, I think it's Matthew or Mark, where Jesus and His disciples pluck heads of grain on the Sabbath. That was work. He also broke laws when talking to the Samaritan woman.

Have a blessed evening,

servant4ever

 

[nephilimiyr]

Matthew 5:17 is the teachings of Jesus to the Jews.

It is not a new law. Jesus just told them what the main part of the law was. The main part of God's law was Love. Not only behaviour.

And what you must ask yourself joshua_cheung is what is the true meaning of the food laws? In Matthew 5 we see jesus giving further truths to some of these laws. The theme is always built on love for our fellow man and of God written in our hearts right? So if these laws have this further meaning don't you think all the laws and commandments have the same similar meaning? Did not Jesus say in Matthew,
Matt. 15:16-20, And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man

Is not eating with unwashed hands forbidden in the old covenent? So why is Jesus and his discipals breaking the law? Is not working on the Sabath forbidden in the old covenent? but yet Jesus and his discipals did work. I have no doubt if Jesus was here, in the flesh, today it would be people like yourself who would be hounding him about not obeying his own laws. I'm sorry if I sound harsh about this but I am asking you and symes the same thing Jesus asked his discipals "Do not ye yet understand"

 

[servant4ever]

Hi Servan4ever,

Yes, it is a new aspect but it is an old law. It was just a new understanding that the Jews did not understand.

No. Angry is not a sin. I am angry if my son doesn't listen to me. This is not a sin. However if angry without self-control can lead to murder.

Yes, if a man looks at a woman to lust after her, he already commits adultery.
How about if I am attractive to her beauty or her body shape? I don't think it is a sin. However I should be sef-control. Remember, we are human beings. We like to see and love beautiful women. However we should avoid our mind or heart that we have her or have sex with her because she does not belong to us (Compare to the Ten commandments).

Different understanding lead to different conclusion. Right.

Joshua,

Jesus says in Matthew 5:22, which says that "I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be siubject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell (NIV)." The thing is, the anger we experience is out of selfishness. We get angry because someone cut us off on the highway, so now we can't go as fast as we wish we could. We get angry because someone yelled at us, even though Jesus says that we should bless those who curse us. Jesus had the true, perfect anger. It is only recorded once where Jesus got angry, when He turned over the money tables in the temple. He did this for the right reason, sinful people were making God's house as a market.

Jesus looks past our good works. In Matthew 19, Jesus says, "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments (17b, NIV)." Then Jesus continues when the rich young man says that he kept all the commandments "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me (21, NIV)." He looks to the heart. Yes, the man kept all the commandments, except He was greedy about the money God provided him (we don't have money, God owns everything).

Jesus does not care about the Law, all He cares about is Love and Grace. "But the greatest of these is love" 1 Corinthians 13:14b states in the NIV. Love is all that matters. If a person is a Christian, they will love. It will be easy for a Christian to love since they are in God, and God is love (1 John 4:8), and God will be in them.

I hope you can understand this, I'm really tired right now, and I still have to type a Bible paper tonight!

Have a blessed evening

servant4ever

 

[joshua_cheung]

That isn't exactly true.

John 13:34, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
A new commandment does mean new, not old, does it not?

This commandment here means Jesus can give up his life for them, so learn his example, they should love each other in this way.

Yes, it is a new commandment but old law. Love your neighbour (compare to old testatment). However. This is beyond love your neighbour as you love self. We love ourself but we may not give up our life to our neighbour. So we accept our neighbour not give up their life for us.

 

[Icystwolf]

Joshua_Cheung,

Who's post are you refering to about Jesus teacing from a mountain? He came to fulfill the prophets and the law by bringing the new law on our hearts. It is the fulfillment of God's original purpose, to have a loving relationship with humans.

servant4ever

Hello Servant4ever, where does it say, theres a new law?

If your talking about islam, then yes there are new laws from that side.

But Jesus didn't bring any new laws.

If I'm hearing correct, maybe you've reworded it incorrectly, Jesus raised the bar, for what is right and lawful, that way, it's for certain that no humans could be saved by the law.

In essence, Jesus bought new teachings, but not new laws.....

 

[servant4ever]

The new law is on our hearts. It is prophesied in Jeremiah 31:33. We don't have to follow any legalistic rules anymore, it is all about love and grace. The Old Law is obsolete (Hebrews 18:13). It is no longer valid for us Christians.

servant4ever

 

[Icystwolf]

That isn't exactly true.

John 13:34, A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
A new commandment does mean new, not old, does it not?

Unfortunately thats not exactly true either....
The whole teachings in the OT, teaches the Jews to return the Jewish slaves every jubuliee, leave the grains for the poor.....etc.....What it essentially means is, God is giving them instructions on how to love.

Jesus' coming was a fulfilment of the law, so technically, all laws have been set in place even before time...for the fulfilment of Jesus, and for humans to recieve salvation.

Hence, no law is new....except the justice system on internet crimes....lol...


God bless

 

[Icystwolf]

Joshua,

Jesus says in Matthew 5:22, which says that "I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be siubject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell (NIV)." The thing is, the anger we experience is out of selfishness. We get angry because someone cut us off on the highway, so now we can't go as fast as we wish we could. We get angry because someone yelled at us, even though Jesus says that we should bless those who curse us. Jesus had the true, perfect anger. It is only recorded once where Jesus got angry, when He turned over the money tables in the temple. He did this for the right reason, sinful people were making God's house as a market.

Jesus looks past our good works. In Matthew 19, Jesus says, "If you want to enter life, obey the commandments (17b, NIV)." Then Jesus continues when the rich young man says that he kept all the commandments "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me (21, NIV)." He looks to the heart. Yes, the man kept all the commandments, except He was greedy about the money God provided him (we don't have money, God owns everything).

Jesus does not care about the Law, all He cares about is Love and Grace. "But the greatest of these is love" 1 Corinthians 13:14b states in the NIV. Love is all that matters. If a person is a Christian, they will love. It will be easy for a Christian to love since they are in God, and God is love (1 John 4:8), and God will be in them.

I hope you can understand this, I'm really tired right now, and I still have to type a Bible paper tonight!

Have a blessed evening

servant4ever

Jesus bought Love and Grace to all, but he didn't bring a new law that would override the old. He bought himself as a fulfilment of the old law, so that salvation would come to us.

Jesus bought the new Covernant......not the old. If a new law was given by Jesus, then how consistant would Christianity be?

 

[servant4ever]

Jeremiah 31:33 states that "I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts (NIV)." How do you explain that? it is a prophecy of the New Covenant. The New Covenant had the law on the cross with Jesus and He brought the new laws, Love God and Love nieghbor. Colossians 2:13-15 says that "He forgave us all our sins, having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us;he took it away, nailing it to the cross. And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross (NIV)." The Old Law is nailed to the cross.

servant4ever

 

[nephilimiyr]

This commandment here means Jesus can give up his life for them, so learn his example, they should love each other in this way.

Yes, it is a new commandment but old law. Love your neighbour (compare to old testatment). However. This is beyond love your neighbour as you love self. We love ourself but we may not give up our life to our neighbour. So we accept our neighbour not give up their life for us.

Ok, thanks for your answer, I believe I can agree with that.

What do you make of these verses?
Romans 6:14-15, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

What does it mean "we are not under the law"? How should we understand this phrase?

If we are not under the law anymore why do we have to obey it? Jesus gave us further truths on the law right? And that being to have love towards God and our fellow man. In Matthew 22:40 Jesus says, On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. If we obey these two commandments we follow the new testament which Jesus spoke of in Luke 22:20, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
The Old Testament taught us what it is that God doesn't like but the New Testament allows us to live as a true child of God made possible through the blood of Jesus. If we obey those two commandents we obey Gods laws and therefore Jesus has set us free from not only sin but the law which only serves to condemn.


Obeying the law has no redeaming value if it can't save us from sin. Jesus came to do that job of redeaming us and this is why we are no longer under the law but under grace.

 

[joshua_cheung]

Jesus bought Love and Grace to all, but he didn't bring a new law that would override the old. He bought himself as a fulfilment of the old law, so that salvation would come to us.

Jesus bought the new Covernant......not the old. If a new law was given by Jesus, then how consistant would Christianity be?

Agree.

 

[joshua_cheung]

Ok, thanks for your answer, I believe I can agree with that.

What do you make of these verses?
Romans 6:14-15, For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

What does it mean "we are not under the law"? How should we understand this phrase?

If we are not under the law anymore why do we have to obey it?

Obeying the law has no redeaming value if it can't save us from sin. Jesus came to do that job of redeaming us and this is why we are no longer under the law but under grace.

The meaning of law is love. Why obey the law? because we love so obey the law. Love is the fufilment of law.

We are not under the law . This implies we are not under judgement but under grace.