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Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by treefencecar, Dec 1, 2016.

  1. masmpg

    masmpg Well-Known Member

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    Please show me where in Acts Peter was shown this?
     
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    Goodbook Reading the Bible

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    Read Acts 10
     
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    This context has absolutely nothing to do with eating food.
    Here is the meaning of the vision.It is found in the next chapter.

    Ac:11:5: I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
    Ac:11:6: Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
    Ac:11:7: And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
    Ac:11:8: But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
    Ac:11:9: But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
    Ac:11:10: And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven.
    Ac:11:11: And, behold, immediately there were three men already come unto the house where I was, sent from Caesarea unto me.
    Ac:11:12: And the Spirit bade me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house:
    Ac:11:13: And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
    Ac:11:14: Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
    Ac:11:15: And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
    Ac:11:16: Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
    Ac:11:17: Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
    Ac:11:18: When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

    This is where Peter was told by the Lord not to call the gentiles unclean.
     
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    If I were her, I'd be more concerned about how you are gullible/willing to be sucked in by the teachings of men like that. And please forgive my being blunt. :)

    I doubt your diet as it is will hurt you at all as long as you are careful, but what's next for you?
     
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    Ouch!

    Admittedly, I didn't read the full op, but if that's the case, I think you really need to prioritize here...your diet may be the least of what you should be concerned about.

    I now wonder if you are overcompensating with the food to cover a worse problem? Probably not, but the possibility bears mentioning.
     
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    Actually it was becAuse God said to Peter arise, slay and eat. Read it again.
    The gentiles ate food eg meats jews considered unclean because of moses law. Therefore they couldnt fellowship with them because of this. Fellowship includes sharing a meal.

    It has a lot to do with food! And judging people because they eat this or that.
     
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    Goodbook Reading the Bible

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    Really sad how some people misread the bible. :-(
     
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    I have to agree with that!
     
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    Believe it or not vitamin d is an additive to milk. The sun is the only natural source of vitamin d that is negligible. We do get vitamin d from other sources like leafy dark greens and brocolli but not like the sun. 30 per day of sunlight will give you all you need.
     
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    The only thing I say is that if God, who created Adam and Eve perfect gave them a vegan diet then wouldn't it be wise to follow that advice from God?
     
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    Not really.
    He gave the diet to Adam and Eve, yes, but then he gave Noah all animals for food. So why follow Adam and Eve rather than Noah?
    Jesus was perfect, did not sin at all, yet ate fish and lamb, and maybe other things too. Why follow Adam and Eve rather than Jesus? I mean, obviously you can if you want to, but there's not even a Scriptural reason to, never mind a command.
     
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    Peter didn't even understand the meaning of the vision at first.

    Act 10:17 Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
    Act 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
    Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
    Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

    Peter states exactly what the vision was about.
     
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    Yet the vision, which was about not calling something unclean if God had declared it to be clean, featured animals.
    And Peter was the source behind Mark's Gospel. In Mark 7 Jesus is talking about what makes a person unclean, and in Mark 7:19 Peter/Mark makes the comment, "in saying this he declared all foods to be clean."

    Pork and unclean foods aside, Jesus and the disciples still ate meat and fish.
     
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    Peter makes it clear what the vision is about---it was given before he went to see Cornelius, a gentile. And Peter as a Jew
    was not to sit with Gentiles---
    Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

    Now, if you want to eat anything you want, that is up to you, but do not use this vision for that for it is in no way about that. Peter does not say " of a truth I perceive
    that God is no respecter of foods."
     
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    Yes but God gave him a vision of animals that were killed for food. You.
    Are nOt even understanding the difference between jews and gentiles at the time, the reason why they didnt fellowship with each other. Thats why God gave him that vision. He could have just told Peter, hey Peter get over it and be friends with the gentiles. Whats the matter with you???
     
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    Seriously some ppl cannot see the wood for the trees. Some reading comprehensionis is in order.
     
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    Why follow Adam rather than Noah? because it has been proven through many studies that lifestyle (what we eat) effects our health and well being, along with longevity. The only excuse to eat animal products today is selfish at best. We "like the flavor". No matter that God tells us that our bodies are His temple, and no matter that study after study proves that eating animal products are the second leading cause of disease, next to smoking.

    Just because we are allowed to eat dead animals are we suppose to? You try to make it a command that we must eat flesh. Just because Jesus ate fish on a couple occasions, and lamb on passover does that mean it was His main source of food? The diet at that time was not like ours today. They didn't have all the healthy choices we have. The way I see it is if we have healthy choices and choose to pollute our bodies we will be accountable to God for destroying our temple which belongs to Him. Just a thought.
     
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    They did eat animal flesh, but the condition of the food then is nowhere near what it is today. To eat commercially processed food is dangerous today. We have limited options. Our diet does really impair our thinking. I choose to have my mind as clear as possible to keep the lines of communication open between me and God, especiallyas I read and study His word.
     
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    He did----with the vision. It God send His holy Spirit to Gentiles, thus declaring them clean---He did not send the Holy Spirit over the unclean animals, declaring them clean.


    I totally agree.
     
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    The Bible does too support veganism. Those who are nonvegan believers persist in not seeing it. But the ideal arrangement from the beginning, for how it was to be, for many hundreds of years still, until after the global flood with which not so much vegetation was growing right away, was really vegan. It really is healthier, as it is shown in the Bible too with Daniel in that first chapter along with his Israelite friends, and it can stop and even reverse type 2 diabetes, development of heart attacks and stroke with congested arteries, a number of cancers, and rheumatoid arthritis. Yahweh will restore the world to this, shown in prophetic visions. The sheet with animals Peter saw was about opening opportunity to gentiles equally in the faith, the context shows that, it is not about permitting having anything to eat. Meat for food is very much associated with sacrifices made to Yahweh, and faith needed being made possible with that. Since Christ came no animal has to die for any of us. With problems in this world we have responsibilities, and with is not using animal products anymore those problems could be dealt with effectively. So there really is biblical godliness to coming to veganism, with faith in Christ still. Traditions show apostles did that.