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Easter Poll - date the Cross

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Christian Gedge, Mar 16, 2020.

When was the year of the Cross?

  1. AD 29

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  2. AD 30

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  3. AD 31

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  4. AD 32

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  5. AD 33

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  6. AD 34

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  1. Christian Gedge

    Christian Gedge Well-Known Member

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    It's getting near Easter! We celebrate the cross and resurrection because it was the apex of human history. We agree that the earth-shattering sacrifice on Calvary was the fulfillment of that which was written.

    Why is it then that there isn't unanimous agreement about the date of the crucifixion? Experts differ from approximately AD 27 to AD 36 as to when it happened and followers say it doesn't matter much anyway. It does matter. It is the center point of prophecy! Entire prophetic systems stand or fall on correct timing as it concerns the chronology of the cross.

    So when? Exactly when was it?

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  2. Tolworth John

    Tolworth John Well-Known Member Supporter

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    It is only important to those who are obsessed with dating the future. There failure to understand that the future is in God's control and that he is not going to be manipulated by those who think they can pin him into a corner.
    We do not know when God's properties will happen, we do not need to know.
     
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  3. Handmaid for Jesus

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    I was listening to Ken Johnson last night. He says it was 32ad.
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  4. Christian Gedge

    Christian Gedge Well-Known Member

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    Yes, sometimes. But there are others who find that reliable Bible dates help to eliminate a that kind of speculation. Stay posted.
     
  5. Dave-W

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    Well, if GOD'S prophetic system was based on an exact day and year of the crucifixion, then He would have made it ABSOLUTELY CLEAR in the pages of scripture.

    Since He did NOT do that, then those "prophetic systems" must be of human origin and are nothing more than wrong guesses.
     
  6. Lost4words

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    It really doesnt matter. End times 'experts' and modern day 'prophets' all have different views about these things.
     
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  7. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy Supporter

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    Did you watch the video? Ken Johnson said it is possible to prove from scripture the time of the crucifixion and resurrection.
     
  8. JackRT

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    We also don't know the year of the Birth except to say sometime between 4BC and AD6.
     
  9. Andrewn

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    I agree that it does matter. Based on the John's Gospel, a lot of people believe the Lord was crucified on the day of preparation for Passover, that is in the morning of Nissan 14th.

    You make a very good argument that the Last Supper took place after sunset on Nissan 15th and the Lord was Crucified the following morning of Nissan 15th. It's reported that Nissan 15th of 33 AD started on Sat Apr 2. And Nissan 14th of 30 AD started on Thu April 4.

    Jewish Calendar 0033 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

    Jewish Calendar 0030 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar

    These dates are based on the Julian Calendar. According to this, only 30 AD fits. So, this would be the middle of Daniel's 70th week.

    But the Lord was crucified in the 4th year after the Jubilee, when a leap month should be added. How would this affect the calculation?
     
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  10. Dave-W

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    God made sure of that. The records of that census/tax were kept in Pompeii.

    God does NOT want us to know those dates.
     
  11. Dave-W

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    No and i have no intention of doing so.
     
  12. JackRT

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    So, God caused the volcanic eruption for the purpose of destroying those records? Please do not pass off a guess as a fact. We already have far too many people doing that.
     
  13. keras

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    I do not see the date of the Crucifixion as a critical time. It only denotes the end of the 69th 'week' of Daniel 9:26, followed by the cataclysm of the Roman conquest 40 or so years later.
    We still await the 70th 'week' of the final seven years of this Christian era.

    What is more critical is the date that Jesus commences His ministry. Which was about mid 29 AD, as Luke 3:1-3 informs us.
    That date starts the final 2000 year segment of man ruling the earth and making a mess of it!
     
  14. Josheb

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    There's an easier way, or at least there used to be. I haven't checked in awhile but the US National Naval Observatory used to have a feature where you could look up the dates for Passover going back millennia. 30 AD turns out to be the mostly likely date.
     
  15. Christian Gedge

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    Yes, Jesus was crucified on Passover. (full moon) That is a big clue to finding the date because lunar phases can be found with great accuracy. Actually, many Old Testament dates are determined using lunar information because the old feast dates were all based on Israel’s luni-solar calendar.

    Recent research concerning the moon and the crucifixion date came up with the conclusion that Passover could only have happened in AD 30 or AD 33. And I agree with both of you that AD 30 is the best choice.
     
  16. Christian Gedge

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    I prefer to think that the climax of history was Christ's work on the cross - not the mess man has made of ruling the earth.

    But Im glad that you found Luke 3:1-3. It goes to show the Bible is more interested in dates than some here think.
     
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  17. Ronald

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    So 30 AD would put his birth in 4 BC.
    ... and it's really the year 2023?
     
  18. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    The 'climax of history will be when all the dead great and small, [and those who remain alive then] will stand before God in Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
    The Cross was a pivotal point, but obviously- history has gone on since then.

    Luke 3:1-3 proves that Jesus commenced His ministry in 29.5 AD. +/- a month or 2.
    This makes the date for Jesus death; 33 AD, unless you want to reduce His ministry to just 1 year.
    The fact that Dionysius the monk made a bad guess as to Jesus' birth date, when he compiled the Gregorian calendar, makes no difference to the total years elapsed since Adam and our numbering of the years.
     
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  19. Christian Gedge

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    Where did you get the commencement of Jesus ministry in 29.5 AD Keras? :scratch: Luke 3:1-3 says:

    "In the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar - when Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea, Herod tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and Traconitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene - during the high priesthood of Annas and Caiaphas, the word of God came to John son of Zechariah in the desert. He went into all the country around the Jordan, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."

    So when was the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar? If we can ascertain that, all that remains to do is add 3½ years (the period of Jesus ministry from his baptism by John) and we arrive at the date of the cross.

    Tiberius became sole emperor on the death of his adoptive father, Augustus, in AD 14. However, it is a well known fact that he had become co-regent with his ailing father two years beforehand in AD 12. He was made supreme military commander over Caesar's armies and provinces in that year, so the inauguration in AD 14 as emperor was only a formalisation of a reign which had begun two years earlier.

    Therefore, the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius would make it AD 26-27 correlating with the start of Christ's ministry and supporting the AD 30 date as the most likely date of his crucifixion.
     
  20. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    Tiberius was crowned Emperor on the 18th September 14 AD. Until Augustus died, Tiberius was not the Emperor.
    So the fifteenth year of his reign as Emperor was from 18/9/14 to 18/9/29

    Jesus was baptized in mid 29 AD and Crucified in early 33 AD. End of story.
     
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