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[JohnR7]

cool, well I believe in me, so I will worship me and skip lunch once in a while. actually I had better not because I am underweight.

Actually, you lose points for self worship. The more you sacrifice yourself to benifit others, the more you gain. Some of the most miserable people I know are self centered, selfish people. Some of the most joyfull people I know are very giving people and are always trying to find ways to help others.

 

[Siliconaut]

@Stormy:

If all the planets and the Sun resulted from one big bang, then how is it that they are different in makeup?

I guess you've got a bit of a wrong idea about the formation of our solar system, which is "only" about 4.6 billion years old. "Only", because current calculations put the age of our universe somewhere between 12 and 14 billion years (13.7 in this article: http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101age.html ).

Our solar system is the result of suns that have fired up, burnt their fuel and produced heavier elements before going supernova or flaring and dwarfing. The stuff you and I are made of is, in all honesty, star-stuff.

How come the planets are different from our sun? Well, the sun consists of hydrogen and helíum - both among the first elements to coalesce after the Big Bang. Our planets consist of the heavier elements - the star-stuff again.

Why do the planets differ from each other? Well, first there is the matter of the formation of our solar system. Simply put, it started out as a rotating swirl of matter, a dust cloud which - through its own gravity - pulled in more matter, until finally, in the center, a nuclear reaction was started due to the enormous pressure. Around it, in the swirling clouds of matter, small gravitational irregularities led to the gradual formation of the planets. The climatic differences between the "hard-bodies" like earth and mars is easy to explain: Distance to the sun. The current theories for gas giants either predict a huge central core that amasses gas over a long period of time or a cloud of gas held together by its own gravitation amassing "sediment" relatively quickly. Gas giants seem to be most likely to form in the outer reaches of a solar system in formation and are thought to play an important role in supplying volatile gases to inner planets (like earth, e.g.) after the violent phase of solar formation.

God seems to be lazy - he likes to just let nature do its own work most of the time...

 

[Jet Black]

Hi everyone!

I read the first post of this thread, and thought it interesting. I then read the next two pages, but never saw an answer, only ridicule. From there this thread has traveled deeper, and deeper, into LA LA Land.

Could I maybe, get an answer to a question that pertains to the first post? If all the planets and the Sun resulted from one big bang, then how is it that they are different in makeup?

A simple I don't know will do, if you have no answer.
I will be happy to insert my own... Goddidit.

nuclear fusion in the core of stars first burns hydrogen and helium. as the star gets old, the hydrogen and helium run out and the star starts to burn those, creating heavier and heavier elements right up to iron. depending on the size of the star, you then end up with a kind of onion ring star with an iron core, which, if it is large enough, explodes, scattering all the heavy elements that it has created through fusion, plus some more that are created in the supernova. all this gas may then collapse along with other available gas and form a new star, however because there are lots of new elements that aren't round in the primordial star, these can collect to form planets. as has been pointed out, the new star, once it ignites blows most of the light elements off the inner planets, leaving you with a ball of rock, with, if the conditions are right, some gas on it. this is all pretty elementary physics, and all the stuff to do with stars can be learned from a typical second year physics course. It is all interesting stuff, and definitely doesn't need God to do it.

 

[Jet Black]

Actually, you lose points for self worship. The more you sacrifice yourself to benifit others, the more you gain. Some of the most miserable people I know are self centered, selfish people. Some of the most joyfull people I know are very giving people and are always trying to find ways to help others.

you display a remarkable ability to not understand other people's posts.

 

[Siliconaut]

@John:

They say it has something to do with Atom & Proton. But I thought it all had to do with Adam & Eve.

I'm sure we're all astounded at your impervious knowledge of phyiscs. So your universal theory of solar formation is "it had something to do with Atom & Proton"?

Sounds a bit like the old Monty Python theory about dinosaurs: "My theory, which belongs to me, which is mine is that dinosaurs were thin at one end, thick in the middle and thin at the other end. This is my theory. It belongs to me. It is mine."

 

[JohnR7]

I'm sure we're all astounded at your impervious knowledge of phyiscs.

Just what is phyiscs? Does that have something to do with math?

 

[Gracchus]

Just what is phyiscs? Does that have something to do with math?

That's a joke, right?

 

[worship4ever]

PhantomLlama, its unbelievable on how mis-informed you are on "so called" religion. And i've never said "creationISM with christianity" or vis vera. I do believe science lets to an intelligent design though, no matter what my "religion" is. And no i feel threatened by this idea, of course not, but i dont see how much discuss can come out of it, but sure, lets discuss it. And how do you know am a christian, why, b.c i believe in creation, lol, its not good to assume my friends

 

[Arikay]

So are you christian Worship?

 

[Jet Black]

I do believe science lets to an intelligent design though, no matter what my "religion" is.

what do you know about science that leads you to that conclusion?

 

[worship4ever]

Jet black, the evidence of science and the answers evolution cant answer. Theres too many holes in the on-going theory. As for am i a christian or not, i dont see how thats important, there's creationist that are non religious and vis vera

 

[Douglaangu]

Jet black, the evidence of science and the answers evolution cant answer. Theres too many holes in the on-going theory. As for am i a christian or not, i dont see how thats important, there's creationist that are non religious and vis vera

Name not just one, but two
Lets see if you can.

 

[Jet Black]

Jet black, the evidence of science and the answers evolution cant answer. Theres too many holes in the on-going theory. As for am i a christian or not, i dont see how thats important, there's creationist that are non religious and vis vera

that is about the worst argument I have ever heard. you know a few hundred years ago, people probably thought really silly things like "things fall because God pushes them down" and "the earth is flat because when you see a ship travel really far away it looks like it falls off the edge". these were glaring gaps in knowledge that led people to believe in bizarre things and write "here be monsters" on maps. now we know better. you cannot say we have gaps in our knowledge and this leads you to the conclusion that there is a God.

 

[Arikay]

You say there are holes, but you have yet to present a valid hole to the theory.

 

[worship4ever]

arikay, lol, a "VALID" hole, just the same that you haven't proven creation wrong.

 

[Douglaangu]

.....He doesn't need to, since it was falsified several hundred years ago.

 

[Arikay]

What I mean by valid is a hole that isnt based on a misunderstanding of evolution or the data. A hole that someone didnt fix.

No one can disprove Creation.

However, I am not as smart as many here and I have been able to poke many holes into creationism (mainly YEC) that are often ignored or unfixed.

 

[Jet Black]

arikay, lol, a "VALID" hole, just the same that you haven't proven creation wrong.

no, we haven't proven that we weren't created, what is clearly in dispute is how it was created. There is far too much evidence in far too many different largely unrelated fields against it to suggest that the 6 day creation 6k years ago is a realistic possibility.

of course it could have been created 6k years ago, and merely made to look like it is 13.7 billion years old, but then it could have been created yesterday too, or five minutes ago, or a nanosecond ago, you just can't tell.

 

[worship4ever]

arikay, if you problem is with young earth creationist, take it up with them. Young/old earth is an argument for CREATION. In evolution its already what, 4.5 billion years, right. The young/old earth debate is for creationist, it has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution gives an age to the earth and life itself. Creationist may debate this young/old earth issue but they all still LOVE GOD.

 

[worship4ever]

And jet, you said the earth was 6 thousand years old, huh. Like i said before, this debate is between creationist, not evolutionist. Not every creationist believes in a 6000 year old, of course, some do, some dont.