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[JohnR7]

@John:
Please elaborate. I think I made myself pretty clear, please do me the same favor.

Siliconaut: John, when you state that lucaspa is misinformed because he thinks god doesn't need *you* to lead people to him, then that's your interpretation of what god wants. Piece of cake.
lucaspa:Yes, God can draw people to Him. But your god has to have you to lead people to it.
JohnR7: Again, all your doing is showing me how misinformed you are

First of all, the Angels bring in most of the harvest. We work with the Angels, and we glean the field, but most of the work is done by the angels. It is the power of God that persuades people. I doubt if anyone is going to be impressed by my personal convictions. At least not here on this forum. Sense there is nothing I can do, then I must have faith in what God can do in your life and in the life of others.

Second of all, I did not say lucaspa was misinformed because "he thinks god doesn't need *you*". I said he was misinformed because he thinks that I believe that.

There was a incident in my life when I was 12 years old when I should have died. I believe that God sent an Angel in that situation to spare my life and keep me alive. So at this point I am just going along for the ride to see just what God purpose is and what He wants for me to be doing, to bring Him honor and Glory.

I know that God is a personal part of my life. Also, I know God takes a active part in the world that we live in. You also can have a personal relationship with God. You can know how much He loves you and just how special you are to Him. There can be peace between us and God.

 

[worship4ever]

JohnR7 had a time where he should have died. Many people have this same thing. I almost died flipping my 4 wheeler by a glacier about 2 monthes ago. If i had died, so what, ive got a JOY (not happiness) inside about not fearing death. Life is to learn, death is to gain. I've seen personally alot of my friends, family, and co-workers die at an earlier age, 16-25, and the ones that had a relationship with Jesus were the easiest to deal with, why morun someone when you know there so much better off than you. I think alot of times you guys bring up arguments about creation and evolution and go away thinking you've won, lol. To that i laugh, honestly i do. I've read your articles, read your post, ive watched videos, ect, on BOTH sides, not just one, i try not to be baised, like some i know. It's true, creationism is always on the defense, but that will never mean its wrong. I live near anchorage alaska's science center at uaa and attend some courses there. Alaska is famous for science courses and experiments in nature, cosmology, ect. I love to stump the teacher. Call me a rebel for asking questions against what ive been taught, so what, its called science; the search for answers, not only the ones you like.

 

[Siliconaut]

John, you've told us over and over again that you were thinking of yourself as doing your god's work, bringing people to him. I have seen you change back and forth between positions when cornered, but this new version strikes me as especially funny.

It's also funny how people like to interpret all sorts of miraculous things into just being lucky. Cats are lucky most of the time, too, so I guess they must have hordes of guardian angels... *gg*

@w4e: The problem is that you equal creationISM with christianity - when quite the contrary is true and creationism is a perverted abomination of christian belief. It ignores evidence, its proponents lie deliberately to the uninformed, it assumes that its own interpretation of scripture is allowed to bend the bible to defend a hopeless position.

I don't care what you believe you or your loved ones get in your afterlife, but I do care about not letting people fall prey to uncritical thinking put forth by the purveyors of creationism. Creationism is doing extensive damage to christianity, because it is fighting a losing battle, hiding under the cover of christianity.

 

[JohnR7]

I've seen personally alot of my friends, family, and co-workers die at an earlier age, 16-25, and the ones that had a relationship with Jesus were the easiest to deal with, why morun someone when you know there so much better off than you.

Also, they are only a "post card" away. The angels can take brief messages back and forth between us and our loved ones in Heaven, so we are not totally without contact with them.

Sometimes I get sort of fed up with this world, and I become "Heavenly minded" to where my conversation is more with Heaven then it is with this world. That is why you hear some people say they live in two different worlds.

 

[worship4ever]

You know Siliconaut, you say you dont care about what i or anyone else believes in. Let me tell you something, theres what 6 billion people in the world. I almost guarantee that there are 6 billion different thoughts in this world about God, everyone has there own little opinion, but only one can be right. Most people believes theirs a God, somewhere, most people acknowledge a soul or another life. Now if theres 6 billion different thoughts on God, whos right. Well, thank God He sent an awesome book to tell us. The bible is so complex no man can fully comprend it in a lifetime yet so simple it can be summed up in a few words. See, i, johnr7, or God doesnt care about what you think, theres one absolute, God, and He doesnt care what you think, He cares what you know. So things are faith and some are obvious, God is obvious. Heck i cant see the wind, but i still feel its touch.

 

[PhantomLlama]

If god is so obvious why do so many people not believe in him? And which awesome book do we follow, because there are people left and right telling us that their book is the only correct one, they have had this revealed to them by god, they possess the only way to salvation.

 

[worship4ever]

PhantomLlama: God is obvious just as wind is obvious, you just gotta give him a chance. People not believing in Him is there own choice, point black, its free will. As for the "right book." There's only ONE book that tells that good works arent enough for the glory of heaven, the bible. The koran, the tora, ect all believe that good works leads to good rewards in heaven. Just think for a moment, is God without sin? Most people think so. If God is perfect and sinless, how can one soul with one sin get into His presence, thankfully, Jesus came along. If there's one common factor in all man, its sin, everyones done it, so everyone is judged on that sin. No Jesus, your soul is sinful. You got Jesus, and no more sin, its quite simple, i can explain more if you want me too. You say, "why do so many people not believe in Him" well i say, why do so many people believe in Him, it goes both way. If your dealing with eterity, i would want everyone to think my way, correct, to make sure i have the TRUE answer. Let's say you don't believe in God, well, i bet you there's 2 billion other people that would argue against it. When you believe in God, you have God and a book to believe in, when you believe in nothing, you have nothing (in a spirital sense). Does that kinda make sense.

 

[Siliconaut]

@john:

Also, they are only a "post card" away. The angels can take brief messages back and forth between us and our loved ones in Heaven, so we are not totally without contact with them.

REALLY? What a funny thing that all tries to prove the existance of such phenomena have failed miserabley. But, I forgot, *you* own god's truth.

@w4e: I guess I must live with the fact you don't want to see that creationISM is NOT christianity, as you choose to ignore my post.

Now if theres 6 billion different thoughts on God, whos right. Well, thank God He sent an awesome book to tell us.

One? Deities purportedly gave us thousands of "divinely inspired" books, scripts, scrolls, parchments, etc... - and I'll be ****** if I let you discard all those differing from your opinion offhandedly, because they have as much right to be taken into consideration as the bible. Heck, even the delusional ravings of a madman *could* be divinely inspired, but since we cannot test most god hypotheses put forth, they aren't worth much.

The bible is so complex no man can fully comprend it in a lifetime yet so simple it can be summed up in a few words.

Funny - muslims say the same thing about the q'uran. So the q'uran must be as valid as the bible, yet it describes a completely different god and completely different ways to please him.

It is untrue that either cannot be "understood" by humans - in fact, you can see pretty quickly which parts are just "fan fiction" and which ones are the central tenets of christian belief. That both "holy" books contradict themselves and have to be heavily interpreted to make up for literal illogic also doesn't count as "divine inspiration", more like "too little sleep, too much desert funghi".

"The Lord of the Rings" with all its language and culture addons is just as complex, yet can be summed up with just a few words: Little hobbit saves Middle-Earth. Divine inspiration, obviously.

Get my point? If you had grown up as a muslim, you'd be defending your belief with the exact same words, and you'd be just as *sure* you picked the right god out of the whole litter.

 

[worship4ever]

And Siliconaut, ill say it again, 6 billion people have 6 billion thoughts on God. God doesn't care what you think, or what i think, or what a muslim thinks. He looks for truth. Now, when i said "a great book" i meant all 66 books in the bible. And i believe i already hit your point on hows right, whos wrong theory of religion, heck, we can debate this all night long, its early. The bible is different for many reasons, one stated in my post above. Of course, faith is something that cant be ruled out, ive never been to Iraq, but i have faith its there.

 

[Siliconaut]

@W4e: Each religious text is different. So is the bible. Does different mean "right"? Of course not, so you cannot a priori conclude that the bible is right because it is different from other religious texts. Your other reason was complexity? Well, then the LOTR is a holy book too, and we must adhere to Frodo's teachings, or else. God and Iraq have little in common. We can measure Iraq, discern it's really there, so your analogy is moot.

On a side note: I don't care what you think your god doesn't care about me not caring about what you care about, since I don't particularly care about his purported behaviour.

My point remains: You can't be sure if the religion that suits *you* is the objectively *right one*, or if there is any religion at all that got it right.

 

[worship4ever]

Siliconaut, "the religion that suits you" LOL. Dude, don't you realize that religion is thrown out the window when you die. So called "Religion" doesn't exsist when your six feet under pushing up daisy's standing in from a God. I will tell you though, a relationship with His Son surely does matter though. Religion and God are too often times interelated. Yes, religion is driven by a belief, yet, remember that 6 billion different thoughts thing, same thing here, religion doesnt exsist when you die, period. Don't get upset and mad b.c you have had a few people that gave you a couple bad experiences in so called religion. A few people shouldnt influence a decision when your speaking of eterity.

 

[Jet Black]

Siliconaut, "the religion that suits you" LOL. Dude, don't you realize that religion is thrown out the window when you die.

yes, but while you are alive, there is no reason to pick a religion. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia to a saudi family, I doubt you would be a christian right now.

 

[Siliconaut]

Christianity *is* a religion. Any old religion, to be precise, with a couple of nice commandments thrown in for good measure.

If christianity gets thrown out of the window when we die, why bother with it at all? And which, if any, god awaits us when we die? Chances of the christian god being around are as high as those of the whole greek pantheon.

I'm also not sure why you equate creationISM with christianity, as you still haven't adressed this important subject. I'm not arguing pro evolution and old earth because I'm an atheist - I was already evolutionist when I was still sure there was a god around. Many christians seem to think that evolution and god are not exclusive - do you feel threatened by that idea? Why is creationISM more important than christianity or god, whose work to christians is evident in the way nature works? Why would god's creation contradict god? Puzzling, that is...

 

[JohnR7]

yes, but while you are alive, there is no reason to pick a religion. If you had been born in Saudi Arabia to a saudi family, I doubt you would be a christian right now.

The scientific data strongly shows the benifit of religion here and now in this life. It takes more than just attending church for a hour on sunday to get the maximun benifits though. You also need to read your Bible and spend time in prayer. Fasting some can help also. Then the next step is to apply it to your life. I would venture to say that each one of these things can add about 5 years to your life on the average.

 

[PhantomLlama]

The scientific data strongly shows the benifit of religion here and now in this life. It takes more than just attending church for a hour on sunday to get the maximun benifits though. You also need to read your Bible and spend time in prayer. Fasting some can help also. Then the next step is to apply it to your life. I would venture to say that each one of these things can add about 5 years to your life on the average.

What did this have to do with Jet Black's post? Stop playing your usual game.

 

[PhantomLlama]

PhantomLlama: God is obvious just as wind is obvious, you just gotta give him a chance.

I have. I am still waiting. I can tell wind exists. I cannot tell that God exists.

People not believing in Him is there own choice, point black, its free will.

No it isn't. Belief is not a matter of choice. If it is, believe, sincerely and wholeheartedly, in Bin Laden's brand of fundamentalist Islam for the next 24 hours. I expect to see the word 'infidel' at least once per post.

As for the "right book." There's only ONE book that tells that good works arent enough for the glory of heaven, the bible. The koran, the tora, ect all believe that good works leads to good rewards in heaven.

Your point being? The accuracy of religion is not detemined by how hard it is to enter paradise.

Just think for a moment, is God without sin? Most people think so. If God is perfect and sinless, how can one soul with one sin get into His presence, thankfully, Jesus came along.

Because he is God, he is omnipotent, and he can put your soul wherever he **** well likes.

If there's one common factor in all man, its sin, everyones done it, so everyone is judged on that sin. No Jesus, your soul is sinful. You got Jesus, and no more sin, its quite simple, i can explain more if you want me too.

Whoop-de-doo. However, being sinless wont help, as everyone knows that according to the real Ultimate Truth you cannot get into heaven unless you have spent 6 years living on spam and eggs inside a cave. Heathen.

The accuracy of a religion is not detemined by its position on sin and salvation.

You say, "why do so many people not believe in Him" well i say, why do so many people believe in Him, it goes both way.

But I never claimed his nonexistence was obvious. You said he was 'obvious' which begs the question: 'why is not everyone a believer then'. I made no such equivalent statement.

If your dealing with eterity, i would want everyone to think my way, correct, to make sure i have the TRUE answer. Let's say you don't believe in God, well, i bet you there's 2 billion other people that would argue against it. When you believe in God, you have God and a book to believe in, when you believe in nothing, you have nothing (in a spirital sense). Does that kinda make sense.

From your point of view. From my point of view, as the spiritual does not exist then nobody has anything in a spiritual sense, just some people think they do because they were brought up that way.

 

[Jet Black]

The scientific data strongly shows the benifit of religion here and now in this life. It takes more than just attending church for a hour on sunday to get the maximun benifits though. You also need to read your Bible and spend time in prayer. Fasting some can help also. Then the next step is to apply it to your life. I would venture to say that each one of these things can add about 5 years to your life on the average.

cool, well I believe in me, so I will worship me and skip lunch once in a while. actually I had better not because I am underweight.

 

[Stormy]

Hi everyone!

I read the first post of this thread, and thought it interesting. I then read the next two pages, but never saw an answer, only ridicule. From there this thread has traveled deeper, and deeper, into LA LA Land.

Could I maybe, get an answer to a question that pertains to the first post? If all the planets and the Sun resulted from one big bang, then how is it that they are different in makeup?

A simple I don't know will do, if you have no answer.
I will be happy to insert my own... Goddidit.

 

[JohnR7]

Could I maybe, get an answer to a question that pertains to the first post? If all the planets and the Sun resulted from one big bang, then how is it that they are different in makeup?

They say it has something to do with Atom & Proton. But I thought it all had to do with Adam & Eve.

 

[Arikay]

Sure. From what I remember of the non La La land thread, most of it was answered, just not at once.

From what I remember of the original,

The Big Bang really doesnt really have much direct effect on the Solar System as the solar system is much younger than the universe.

The sun is very huge, so even if an element was only 2% of the sun, it would equal a very great size compared to the earth.

I believe much of the lighter elements were blow away by solar winds, this would explain why some of the outerplanets are composed of almost all, or a lot of hydrogen and light elements, where as the inner planets seem to be of heavier elements.

A correction to the writting is that all the planets seem to be Orbiting the same way, however a few have a Retrograde rotation. as in the sun moves across them from west to east, not east to west. This is thought to be caused by some collisions early on. Another oddity is the Mercury seems to be tidal locked (like our moon) to the sun, keeping only one side facing the sun at all times.

I cant remember too many more of the main points.

Hi everyone!

I read the first post of this thread, and thought it interesting. I then read the next two pages, but never saw an answer, only ridicule. From there this thread has traveled deeper, and deeper, into LA LA Land.

Could I maybe, get an answer to a question that pertains to the first post? If all the planets and the Sun resulted from one big bang, then how is it that they are different in makeup?

A simple I don't know will do, if you have no answer.
I will be happy to insert my own... Goddidit.