Lol. Like I have to defend everything every preacher once said. Like scouring hours and hours of teaching from a preacher and ignoring all the stuff on faith and righteousness and covenant and picking on some point about Adam and animals is a great way of assessing a movement.
Lol. Like I have to defend everything every preacher once said. Like scouring hours and hours of teaching from a preacher and ignoring all the stuff on faith and righteousness and covenant and picking on some point about Adam and animals is a great way of assessing a movement.
I didn't say you had to defend anyone. I listed a bunch of weird teachings that fly under the 'WOF' banner, and your response seemed as if you were in favor of those animals.
I have a Scripture that says satan is the god of the world. You cannot prove a case with one Scripture. If you think God is in control of this world you have a strange God indeed!
Paul said that though there be that are called gods, we know that there is but one God. Even the verse you are referring to can be translated differently. Ireneaus lived around 200 AD, a man hwo learned from Polycarp, who learned from St. John. He is one of these so-called 'church fathers' who wrote of spiritual gifts in his own day. He also wrote a book called _Against Heresies_. One of the Gnostic heresies taught that there were various 'aeons' between God and man, kind of demi-god creatuers. Tehy liked to use that verse about the 'god of this world' to argue for their point.
Ireneaus argued that the verse was actually saying that God had blinded the eyes of those of this world that believe not. Greek has a complicated grammatical system and does not rely as heavily on word order as English.
Be that as it may, if we were to post verse back and forth, I could show you lots of verses about God being sovereign over the weather, preserving the creation, the earth belonging to Him, His making nations rise and fall. What verses could you show me for the power of Satan over such things on this earth?
When Satan wanted to harm Job, He went to ask God's permission first. One verse says an evil spirit form the LORD went to Saul. Another says an evil spirit from Satan bothered Saul. God is sovereign, and Satan can't work outside the bounds He set for him.
God does not bring calamity on redeemed people. You need to listen to the teaching in FULL before critiquing it, that is just common sense.
My post did not address the idea of God bringing such things on the redeemed.
I read a booklet on the topic. It is clear that God brings such things on the wicked and takes reponsibility for them in the Old Testament. Arguing that a 'cause' form of one Hebrew verb form could also be an 'allow' cannot explain away all cases where God takes reponsibility for bringing such things on the disobedient.
Speaking of the redeemed, wasn't Job redeemed? He said he knew that His redeemer lives and one day he would walk upon the earth.
Peter, writing to believers, wrote,
"Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator."
Here is another verse to consider:
New International Version
The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
If you want to start another bash Word of Faith thread, go ahead. I will probably end up posting on it and showing you why we should believe God's Word and walk in health and wealth. You will no doubt disbelieve it, and do without, while I continue to enjoy the fullness of God's blessings promised in Scripture.
So are you saying that you have faith that I will doubt? What kind of faith is that? How is that a blessing promised in scripture?
I have no problem with people enjoying the fullness of God's blessings in scripture. I'm all for it. I'm against man-made carnal junk.
Don't have a clue what you are talking about with the animals. I would have to listen to the person in question before making a comment, rather than relying on what is essentially gossip.
I saw a couple of videos of sermons. I don't remember the links. I didn't mention any names either, so I don't see who we are supposed to be gossipping about.
As for the teaching on money to imply that the audience should desire to have a lot of it, I teach on money and tell my congregation explicitly that they need more money. Another member of the church called me today to say she had been promoted. God is such a good God. I teach the church how to prosper and be in health as their souls prosper.
You'll notice my post addressed the problem of teaching people to desire money. Take a look at the following verses.
1 Timothy 6:6-12
6But godliness with contentment is great gain.
7For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
8
And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
9
But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful
lusts, which drown men in
destruction and perdition.
10For the
love of money is the root of all evil: which while
some coveted after, they have
erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
11But thou,
O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.
12Fight the good fight of
faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.
Do you teach your congregation how to have great gain? Haivng great gain is part of true Bibiblical prosperity.
I did not say it is always wrong to pray for money. This verse teaches that it wrong to desire to be rich. It is certainly wrong to teach people to be greedy. There are times to pray for money. If we have a financial need, we are supposed to bring it along with all our cares to the Lord in prayer. Peter asked Jesus about money to pay the temple tax, and Jesus told him where to find it.
I am not saying it is wrong to pray for money to do ministry, to feed the homeless, to print pamphlets, books, make videos, or even to pray for your own needs.
But Jesus warned that if your eye is evil, your whole body will be full of darkness. You cannot serve God and mammon. He said do not lay up for yourselves treasures upon earth.
Do you think we should have no money? How come you are using a computer then?
I did not say that. Btw, computers are not money. They are rapidly depreciating assets.
I really don't care if people cringe. That is there problem. People cringe when I talk about the blood of Jesus or covenant, or righteousness or holiness, or Christ, or life in abundance. So what?
And many people who love the Lord cring when they hear false doctrine.
Some of the stuff on your list I have no idea about, so it cannot be that important to the faith life can it.
If you don't know about it, does that mean it is not important?
Is this what everything is about now? Insinuations. I can go through your list and tell you what I think of your wording of them, but I guarantee from experience you have not watched people say these things for yourself in the context of the original sermons, so I am not going to comment on gossip.
I saw the animal things in videos of two famous preacher's sermons. I gave them as examples of the type of off-the-wall stuff that is not grounded in the word some people teach on a regular basis.
