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There does seem to be similarity. Have you seen this video?
But these ARE explanations that have been given--very standard ones--by those particular Christian groups. That's not to say that we have to be persuaded by them. However, these verses are about the "slain in the spirit" idea. Why it might be appropriate to twitch or roll around on the floor could be a separate issue, I suppose.
yes that is a great video.
remove all christian identity from these charismatic practices and what have we left?
spazzed-out demoniacs i dare say?
No, they aren't demon-possessed. That's a terrible thing and not lightly mentioned.Agreed. They are obviously possessed.
No, they aren't demon-possessed. That's a terrible thing and not lightly mentioned.
But they are in error about how the Holy Spirit operates and are operating out of their own flesh.
No, they aren't demon-possessed. That's a terrible thing and not lightly mentioned.
But they are in error about how the Holy Spirit operates and are operating out of their own flesh.
To give a more complete answer, I should have been clear that there appear to me to be various explanations that Pentecostal and Charismatic Christians who accept the idea of being "slain in the spirit" hold to. Included are these--
- Jesus said to them, “I am He.” And Judas, who betrayed Him, also stood with them. Then when He said to them. “I am He,” – they drew back and fell to the ground.” (John 18:6)
- “And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead. But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, “Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last.” (Revelation 1:17)
But the one that seems to have had given to me most often would be this one--
- “And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were greatly afraid.” But Jesus came and touched them and said, “Arise, and do not be afraid.” (Matthew 17:6
- “And as he journeyed he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” (Acts 9:3-4)
Thanks for the information.Pentecostals tend to validate a lot of things by biblically themed expressions of the holy spirit. A prime example of this is being slained in the spirit. This is not a biblical manifestation of the hs but it sounds biblical and so gets wide approval in pentecostal circles many not even knowing it isn't biblical or quote cut and paste verses to support its use. They will also just add "in the spirit" after a verb and somehow this affirms it.
This is actually common practice in the church and many things we do are just biblically themed but not actually biblical and people don't know the difference. Talk to people about the ceremony behind the Eucharist and many will say it is biblically based. I have even seen full youtube videos on proof it is biblically based but this is false. The ceremony is not biblically based it is biblically themed like a cut and paste of scriptures from revelation.
In the case of pentecostals some poor examples have caused focus on misguided truth largely putting experience over scripture. This is wrong and have led many down the wrong path. But contrary to popular belief these non biblical focuses are typically rejected by main stream pentecostal churches.
Pentecostals, like many Christians, have a "folk" side they just concentrate that on the hs and it draws a lot of negative attention. Kinda like saying people worship Mary, doctrinaly this is rejected but the "folk" side still happens. People associate the movement as "culty" and discount the whole of it but classical pentecostalism is firmly based on biblical accounts that most Christians tend to sweep under the rug and ignore. Posts like these tend to affirm people's positions but I challenge people to look at the core of pentecostalism and you will find it is very biblical and well supported.
No, they aren't demon-possessed. That's a terrible thing and not lightly mentioned.
But they are in error about how the Holy Spirit operates and are operating out of their own flesh.
This is one of those areas where it seems we have to tread lightly. Saying that they are demon-possessed is so similar to what the unbelievers said to Jesus and He responded about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. But what do we say when people do things that in no way represent us to God, and yet they specifically claim that it's the Holy Spirit that is in them and making them do these things?
Simply put and 100% on target.The Holy Spirit always brings order out of chaos, not the other way around.
Why is it that these people fall about only in 'that' church? Reason, i dont believe it is the Holy Spirit. It is something else!!!!
They would claim just the opposite. They would say that our churches are devoid of God's Spirit, and their evidence would be that no one is rolling around on the floor, jumping up and down, etc.
They say that this rolling around stuff is evidence of God's Spirit working, and we would say differently. Who is right?
In the days when Our Lord walked the earth, if he came across someone acting like them he would cast the evil spirit from them and into pigs! This is what i believe.
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