Drop your theological errors off here...

[Goatee]

Well, Elijah left no corpse, but, if you could find it, Moses definitely is dead, in this dimension.

Last I heard, we are not to seek to talk to the dead.

Jesus spoke to the dead. Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah.

Asking the Saints to intercede is a blessing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

OrthodoxyUSA said: ↑
Okay thanks.
Would that be the same as on Pentecost or different?
Forgive me...

Oh, sorry, now I see what you mean.
I'm a dork..............

Remind me not to fall asleep on the beach with you 2 around. ehehe

 

[Goatee]

So, what scripture is not man made?

Scripture is the word of God.

 

[JacksBratt]

Jesus spoke to the dead. Jesus spoke with Moses and Elijah.

Asking the Saints to intercede is a blessing.

I believe Jesus to be a bit more inter dimensional than myself. He did lots of things that I cannot do, should not do and have no right to try.

Remember, He forgave a man of his sins?

 

[JacksBratt]

Scripture is the word of God.

And which is that?

 

[Goatee]

I believe Jesus to be a bit more inter dimensional than myself. He did lots of things that I cannot do, should not do and have no right to try.

Remember, He forgave a man of his sins?

Remember, he sent out his Apostles to forgive sins or retain them! He also gave them the power to heal. He also said that anyone who truly believed could do the same!

 

[HighCherub]

'Sola Scriptura' is the notion that Scripture is sufficient enough on it's own- it doesn't mean that it's the only source of information or must state something to be true.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Scripture is the word of God.

Can we expand on that?
The New Testament is inspired by the Word of God, and is about the Word of God. Calling the NT scripture the "word" of God dictates that Christ wrote it Himself. He did not. That is why we find conflicting testamony from one Gospel to another. That's not troublesome. In fact, if they all agreed on every single point it would point to them being contrived. They are not, as you can well testify.

Now, I'm not saying it's full of errors. I'm saying that it was gathered to be the testimony of the Apostles and their teachings, to be used from where the Bishop stands during services.
We trusted the Apostles to have been taught by Christ Himself and they, in their own communities handed down the entirity of the Holy Tradition, including the text (except Revelation) through truely Episcopal (Bishop led) Churches who have had no disturbance of existance from their beginings until today.

Of course they are going to know more than we, who are alone with just the text wandering from orginization to organization trying to measure them up against the text. Meanwhile we missed the liturgy from which is made these very scriptures, read to us throughout the year.

There is a reason Christ set up a Church for us to follow, and it's the candle that no man puts under the basket.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

And while we're all thinking, "those craze Orthodox Christians", they are the ones being beheaded in Syria.

Rev 6:10

And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Let that sink in.

Forgive me...

 

[SnowyMacie]

Drop your

Primacy,
filioque clause (and the Son),
Purgatory,
Indulgences,
beleif in hell as a physical place,
Dispensationalism,
disbelief in the Trinity,
belief in a pretribulation Rapture,
belief that we can't fall from grace,
Prosperity Gospel,
belief in a 1000 year reign on earth,
hellfire and damnation preaching,
belief that Icons are Idols,
praying to Mary is wrong,
depravity of man,
just the bible and me,
infallability of scriptures,
infalable personal translation of scriptures,
belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture,
Predestination,
belief that works do not assist our salvation,
disbelief in prayers for the dead,
disbelief in prayers to Saints,
disbelief in infant baptism,
Refusal to recognize any form of liturgical worship,
attempts to predict the end of time from scripture,
salvition moment "I'm saved",
Mosaic laws,
following Judaism,
beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel,
belief that Jesus died to pay off God's anger,

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion.

I'm not Orthodox because I disagree with the fundamental principal behind Orthodoxy in that I don't think just because something is a certain way, means that it should be that way in the future. I believe that right practice and belief comes from three things: scripture, tradition, and reason.

 

[truefiction1]

I am glad i have had the opportunity to reveal that i will never worship in an Orthodox Church.. ever..
It is a joy to be seperate from what one believes is false..

If dining with Christ in His Kingdom, by the Holy Spirit, is what one believes is false, then of what joy will that one partake of in eternity?

Jude 1:10

 

[truefiction1]

Asking the living to pray is okay but asking the dead is not okay. It is clear that communicating with the dead is wrong from the scriptures.

It's not clear at all in Scripture that asking the faithful who have departed this world to be with Christ in Heaven aren't, by God's power, able to hear and respond to our requests for prayers. In the experience of the faithful, God does indeed answer such intercessory prayers by the deceased faithful, in ways that only God can and would answer them. If God has excluded you from such experiences of His power executing his perfect will in this world in response to intercessory prayers of one such as Christ's mother, then I trust God's judgement here. He has not dealt thus with me. Sorry.

 

[truefiction1]

But Mary is dead, unless you think Mary is omniscient and omnipresent like God and can hear everyone's prayers to her all at the same time in the tomb.

In the experience of the faithful, Mary is not dead. Her intercessions on our behalf are indeed answered by God in such ways that only God could or would answer. As I said to the other, if God has excluded you from experiencing the very real, miraculous ways in which His power is being executed in this world in response to the intercessory prayers of Christ's mother, then I must trust His perfect judgment. He has not dealt thus with me. I have witnessed His healing and saving power at work, and so I bear witness to the Truth of the Gospel of Christ, as an Orthodox Christian.

 

[truefiction1]

You should look up some "Marian Prayers", (some specifically state that the one praying is "consecrating" themselves to be her "slave", and that they offer themselves, body and soul and all they own to Mary to do with as she wishes. Other prayers also say that they consecrate not only themselves, but the entire world/human race to Mary)

Also, do some research into the various "Marian Apparitions" and what they said/did. (Also, what is done by the thousands of people who make pilgrimages to those shrines around the world every year.)

What the Catholic Church has done with Mary far exceeds anything even remotely Biblical, is in fact worship, and is not simply praying to her to ask her to pray for them. (Not that we should do even that, as contacting the dead is forbidden in Scripture.)

I'm not Roman Catholic. Orthodox veneration of the Theotokos is not the same as that of the Roman Christians. Dormition of the Theotokos - Concord, NH

 

[truefiction1]

How do you know this?

From a proper understanding of Scripture and from experience given me by the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, Who is everywhere and fills all things, treasury of blessings and Giver of Life, Who comes and abides in us, cleansing us of all impurity, and saving our souls as the Good and Holy Lover and Teacher of mankind.

 

[BobRyan]

Primacy - Not sure what this is.
filioque clause (and the Son)- or this
Purgatory - I have never believed this, it's false.
Indulgences- I have never accepted this either, also false.
beleif in hell as a physical place- The Bible says it is, so I believe it.
Dispensationalism- I think that there is reason, from Scripture, to accept some form of God progressively revealing Himself and His plan of salvation to mankind. But I haven't don't enough research on this view to speak adequately about it.
disbelief in the Trinity- Nope. I believe in the Triune God.
belief in a pretribulation Rapture- I am "post-trib."
belief that we can't fall from grace-God saves us and keeps us saved.
Prosperity Gospel - I reject it.
belief in a 1000 year reign on earth-I believe the Bible says there will be, but it is also something I need to study more.
hellfire and damnation preaching-People need to know the truth about Hell, but I do believe this kind of preaching can border on unBiblical and go too far when it is all that is focused on.
belief that Icons are Idols-The Bible says they are, so I believe they are.
praying to Mary is wrong- Praying to Mary is wrong. We are not to contact the dead, and I do not believe someone who has been dead for 2,000 years (even though she was indeed "blessed among women") can hear any prayers, unless she is somehow omniscient and/or omnipresent, qualities which belong to God alone. We should pray only to God.
depravity of man-Without Christ, man has no hope, because even our "good" deeds won't be enough to save us.
just the bible and me-and the Holy Spirit, and the fellowship of all true believers, as we encourage one another in our faith.
infallability of scriptures- They are infallible. The Bible is the inspired word of God. An immeasurably precious gift.
infalable personal translation of scriptures- I don't believe anyone is personally infallible.
belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture- He does.
Predestination - I don't believe in predestination, I believe we do have free will and can choose to accept or reject Christ.
belief that works do not assist our salvation- They don't. We are saved by grace, through faith, not of works. Good works follow, after salvation.
disbelief in prayers for the dead-I don't believe in praying for the dead.
disbelief in prayers to Saints- I don't believe in praying to the dead.
disbelief in infant baptism- Baptism should follow a true profession of faith. It is an outward proclamation of faith in what Christ has done and an identification with His death, burial and resurrection.
Refusal to recognize any form of liturgical worship- I'm not sure what is meant by this. I did grow up in a very liturgical church (Lutheran) and I can appreciate a lot about it, though I don't agree with all of it.
attempts to predict the end of time from scripture- I don't try to predict everything, I try to remain vigilant and pay attention to the "signs" as Jesus said.
salvition moment "I'm saved"- Salvation is an event, not a process. A passing from death to life, a re-birth.
Mosaic laws- Depends what is meant by this. I believe what the Bible says, the Law is God's perfect righteous standard, it silences us before Him because none of us can keep it perfectly. We need our Saviour, Jesus Christ, the only One Who has.
following Judaism- No, we are not required to follow OT Jewish Laws and customs.
beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel-I'm still uncertain about this one. All I know is that we should remember that God can "graft" Israel back in, as the Bible says.
belief that Jesus died to pay off God's anger- I think this is a vast oversimplification. Jesus died for much more than just because God was "angry."

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion - thank you for the offer, but I know I would not be comfortable in an Orthodox church, just as I'm not comfortable in Catholic Churches.

God bless.

Nice post!

 

[1stcenturylady]

Drop your

Primacy,
filioque clause (and the Son),
Purgatory,
Indulgences,
beleif in hell as a physical place,
Dispensationalism,
disbelief in the Trinity,
belief in a pretribulation Rapture,
belief that we can't fall from grace,
Prosperity Gospel,
belief in a 1000 year reign on earth,
hellfire and damnation preaching,
belief that Icons are Idols,
praying to Mary is wrong,
depravity of man,
just the bible and me,
infallability of scriptures,
infalable personal translation of scriptures,
belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture,
Predestination,
belief that works do not assist our salvation,
disbelief in prayers for the dead,
disbelief in prayers to Saints,
disbelief in infant baptism,
Refusal to recognize any form of liturgical worship,
attempts to predict the end of time from scripture,
salvition moment "I'm saved",
Mosaic laws,
following Judaism,
beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel,
belief that Jesus died to pay off God's anger,

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion.

You said to drop thinking praying to Mary is wrong. Huh? I didn't think EO prayed to dead people.

 

[truefiction1]

I'm sorry if what I said was offensive to anyone.

I'm sure there are many wonderful people in the Orthodox church just as there are in every other denomination - whether they be Catholic, Protestant, or one of what we would call a cult.

But IMO simply hoping that one will be able to have salvation when all is said and done is not the same as a justifying faith in the work of Jesus Christ at Calvary on our behalf.

Faith and hope are not the same thing.

"Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1

"Assurance" is what is obviously lacking in the quote by"OrthodoxyUSA". Therefore it is not faith. It is something else entirely (i.e. hope).

Whatever that quote represents - it is not saving faith as I see it.

Obviously I hope that people who confess such a lack of faith will be saved in the end - just as I have hope for cult members. I just don't have any assurance concerning their final state (i.e. I have my doubts about their salvation no matter how nice and how religious they are in this life as I'm pretty sure many of that persuasion are).

I'm not judging anyone personally - just their doctrine as express in the quote from "OrthodoxyUSA" ans statements from others of a similar theology.

Spiritually maturity is the ability to live with a sense of "reasonable" assurance. This is what we generally do. Absolute assurance does not exist. Somewhere deep within our souls this truth nags at us (as it is the "still, small voice of God") even where dogmatic formulas are fabricated to deny this truth. God Loves us, and therefore does not want us to fall victim to "presumptuous sins" which will rob us of Eternal Life. Thus he knocks at the door of our hearts, not wanting us to become deceived into thinking that all is well with our souls in spite of our continuance in the death of sin. There will be many, our Lord tells us, who presumed themselves to be His servants, thinking that they believed in Him, but who did not do the will of God, but rather, continuing to sin did not ever really come to the knowledge of God. To these He will say "depart from me... I do not know you".

Because He is Love, God created us free to choose between Love and sin. We'll all be answering to Christ for our own choices. Thus, I said, in concert with Holy Scripture, that we must persevere in the faith, continuing to abide in the vine which is Christ, for our adversary, the devil, continuously roams about as a ravenous lion looking to devour souls by temptation and deception.

 

[truefiction1]

You said to drop thinking praying to Mary is wrong. Huh? I didn't think EO prayed to dead people.

Mary isn't dead.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Spiritually maturity is the ability to live with a sense of "reasonable" assurance. This is what we generally do. Absolute assurance does not exist. Somewhere deep within our souls this truth nags at us (as it is the "still, small voice of God") even where dogmatic formulas are fabricated to deny this truth. God Loves us, and therefore does not want us to fall victim to "presumptuous sins" which will rob us of Eternal Life. Thus he knocks at the door of our hearts, not wanting us to become deceived into thinking that all is well with our souls in spite of our continuance in the death of sin. There will be many, our Lord tells us, who presumed themselves to be His servants, thinking that they believed in Him, but who did not do the will of God, but rather, continuing to sin did not ever really come to the knowledge of God. To these He will say "depart from me... I do not know you".

Because He is Love, God created us free to choose between Love and sin. We'll all be answering to Christ for our own choices. Thus, I said, in concert with Holy Scripture, that we must persevere in the faith, continuing to abide in the vine which is Christ, for our adversary, the devil, continuously roams about as a ravenous lion looking to devour souls by temptation and deception.

I

Mary isn't dead.

I thought one of the differences between EO and RCC was belief in praying to Mary. Am I mistaken?