Drop your theological errors off here...

[amariselle]

Yep. I agree.

 

[Goatee]

As I said, if they become a necessary part of worship, or are needed to help one worship, I believe they have become an idol.

Is not the Bible a part of worship? You class that as an idol too?

 

[Goatee]

If it's truly a "mistake" to say we shouldn't confidently pray "toward" a saint, why is such a practice not spoken of in Scripture (while contacting the dead is spoken of, and condemned)?

Moses appeared to Jesus and 3 Apostles did he not? Was he dead?

 

[Goatee]

When Christ died on the cross, this curtain ripped from top to bottom. This indicated that there was no need for the ceremony of the priest before we talk to God. The division was gone.

It was the end of the old covenant.

 

[Goatee]

For some, Chritianity starts in the Bible and ends when the back cover is closed shut.

God is not a book. God is real. He is living as much today as ever He did.

He has spoken through the Saints as has history testified to. Jesus lives amongst us. Mary Our Blessed Mother lives amongst us. Just because the Bible may be silent on these or other things does not mean that they cannot happen!

Many miracles throughout the world have been witnessed through many Saints, through Our Blessed Mother Mary and through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Many here are like the Pharisees of old who would only believe in 'their' scripture. Nothing else mattered to them. Even though Jesus performed miracles right in front of their eyes they failed to believe as it was not scriptural to them!

The Holy Spirit dwells amongst us. It works amongst us. God works in mysterious ways indeed.

I truly believe that the Gospel is alive and the word of God reveals more truths to us every day.

Christianity does not stop as soon as the Bible is closed.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Mary Our Blessed Mother lives amongst us...
Many miracles throughout the world have been witnessed through many Saints, through Our Blessed Mother Mary...
Christianity does not stop as soon as the Bible is closed.

The way you talk about Mary, I'm not sure the Bible was ever opened.

 

[LinkH]

By your handle, am I right in guessing you are Eastern Orthodox?

Drop your
beleif in hell as a physical place,

Does eastern orthodoxy have a position on Hell being a 'physical place'? I'd imagine a lot of western Christians think in terms of Hell as some kind of a spiritual realm since they believe the disembodied spirits of the dead go there when the body is still in the ground..

In some contexts, isn't the grave a 'physical place'?

belief in a 1000 year reign on earth,

Would you consider Justin Martyr/the Philosopher and Papias to be orthodox?

hellfire and damnation preaching,

Didn't Jesus kind of start the trend, or at least take it to a whole new level? Would anyone preach on Hell (gehenna, etc.) if Jesus hadn't as much about it as He did. Do you consider Jesus to be orthodox?

infallability of scriptures,

How does this differ from Eastern Orthodox views of the Scriptures?

belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture,

Why wouldn't you pray to experience that and believe what you pray?

beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel,

Is there any group that holds that position? Many Christians believe that certain passages are about the 'natural branches.'

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion.

So do they let just any poster on the forum come in and partake of Communion, even those who haven't been baptized and gone through the Eastern Orthodox Chrismation ritual?

 

[Alithis]

Drop your

Primacy,
filioque clause (and the Son),
Purgatory,
Indulgences,
beleif in hell as a physical place,
Dispensationalism,
disbelief in the Trinity,
belief in a pretribulation Rapture,
belief that we can't fall from grace,
Prosperity Gospel,
belief in a 1000 year reign on earth,
hellfire and damnation preaching,
belief that Icons are Idols,
praying to Mary is wrong,
depravity of man,
just the bible and me,
infallability of scriptures,
infalable personal translation of scriptures,
belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture,
Predestination,
belief that works do not assist our salvation,
disbelief in prayers for the dead,
disbelief in prayers to Saints,
disbelief in infant baptism,
Refusal to recognize any form of liturgical worship,
attempts to predict the end of time from scripture,
salvition moment "I'm saved",
Mosaic laws,
following Judaism,
beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel,
belief that Jesus died to pay off God's anger,

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion.

Drop the farce.This is not general theology this is specific denominational promotion.

When the Lord Jesus tells me he has changed his mind and we can approach the father through another ....
Well..nothing .it aint going to happen.

 

[Old Lioness]

Drop your

Primacy,
filioque clause (and the Son),
Purgatory,
Indulgences,
beleif in hell as a physical place,
Dispensationalism,
disbelief in the Trinity,
belief in a pretribulation Rapture,
belief that we can't fall from grace,
Prosperity Gospel,
belief in a 1000 year reign on earth,
hellfire and damnation preaching,
belief that Icons are Idols,
praying to Mary is wrong,
depravity of man,
just the bible and me,
infallability of scriptures,
infalable personal translation of scriptures,
belief that the Holy Spirit leads us individually in interpreting scripture,
Predestination,
belief that works do not assist our salvation,
disbelief in prayers for the dead,
disbelief in prayers to Saints,
disbelief in infant baptism,
Refusal to recognize any form of liturgical worship,
attempts to predict the end of time from scripture,
salvition moment "I'm saved",
Mosaic laws,
following Judaism,
beliefs that the nation state of Israel is spiritual Israel,
belief that Jesus died to pay off God's anger,

and come sing in the liturgy at an Orthodox Christian Church and partake of Holy Communion.

ummmmm so you are saying to drop all those CHRISTIAN beliefs and join your thinking? and what is your thinking? being as you have pretty well crossed off all true thinking that the Bible touts...so I am not sure what you are saying here.

 

[JacksBratt]

Pre-trib rapture is complete nonsense, and holds no weight in traditional Protestant churches anymore than it does in your church.
So we have familiar ground there

In fact, John Calvin literally stated that such ideas are 'too childish to even deserve a rebuttal'.
Not hard to agree with that, being the very visible, intrinsically flawed premise of it altogether before even beginning to involve scripture.

Really?

So, exactly where are you going to go and do for 7 years where every nation is killing born again Christians, we cannot work, we cannot travel, we cannot buy anything and we cannot sell anything?

If we take the number of the beast..... we go to hell and are obviously not going to be raptured.

How many people, who are Christians, are going to be remaining, to be raptured, at the end of the 7 years?

Also, since the body of Christ, is the church or, in other words, all the Christians saved by Christ's death, burial and resurrection, is also the "bride of Christ" and there is going to be a wedding and a wedding feast, before the return of Christ for Armageddon, just when does this judgement, rewards, marriage and feast take place?

I cannot see anyone, not one Christian, excepting the 144,000 converted Jews that are to be protected by Christ, who will last 7 whole years on a globe where every person will hate Christians.

That leaves a rapture of............nobody.

 

[JacksBratt]

Baptist churches aren't all the same- they don't have a solid communion like the Presbyterians or Lutherans do, and it's those 'independent' churches that get caught up in heresies like a rapture out of the blue.

'Dispensationalism' is the culprit in my opinion.

What is a "solid" communion?

 

[JacksBratt]

We don't know it "because of scripture", but then the Church came first.
Orthodox Christians are not bound to "scripture only".
Forgive me...

So, if not bound by scripture, what other sources do you use for your theology?

 

[JacksBratt]

If you're kneeling to someone who serves the Lord as their God, than you are not committing idolatry.

The angels serve God, far more loyally than I do, and they refused to have anyone bow to them.

Also, the last Lutheran church I saw had a crucifix statue with kneeling pads encircling the whole of it.
But I digress- it's only in Lutheran churches that you would see such a thing; a few Calvinist churches will have statues on their walls.

I have heard that RC churches do as well.

Did they kiss it with hammers? Because if a half centimeter of enamel can be lines on a road for 20 years through heat, cold, rain, and snow, I'm pretty sure you could kiss a stone for virtually all of history without making a dent.

LOL have you seen what happens to any man made surface if every day for centuries people touch it?

I have not seen it, nor was it me that researched it. I am saying "from what I understand". So, I may be wrong. However, the point remains that they kiss the feet of a piece of rock or marble or whatever...... which is totally Idolatry.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Old Lioness,

Boil all those things away and you have what C.S. Lewis called "Mere Christianity".

https://www.dacc.edu/assets/pdfs/PCM/merechristianitylewis.pdf

Forgive me...

 

[JacksBratt]

For some, Chritianity starts in the Bible and ends when the back cover is closed shut.

God is not a book. God is real. He is living as much today as ever He did.

He has spoken through the Saints as has history testified to. Jesus lives amongst us. Mary Our Blessed Mother lives amongst us. Just because the Bible may be silent on these or other things does not mean that they cannot happen!

Many miracles throughout the world have been witnessed through many Saints, through Our Blessed Mother Mary and through Our Lord Jesus Christ.

Many here are like the Pharisees of old who would only believe in 'their' scripture. Nothing else mattered to them. Even though Jesus performed miracles right in front of their eyes they failed to believe as it was not scriptural to them!

The Holy Spirit dwells amongst us. It works amongst us. God works in mysterious ways indeed.

I truly believe that the Gospel is alive and the word of God reveals more truths to us every day.

Christianity does not stop as soon as the Bible is closed.

You are right to a point. However, anything new, that contradicts the bible..... should be tossed out.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. Did not Jesus come to fulfill the OT? Only He had the right to add to the scriptures.

Once His story was told and the revelation written, we have a solid foundation for all time. Anything that any man says that contradicts these books...... can be tossed.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

So, if not bound by scripture, what other sources do you use for your theology?

https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-ortho...pture/sources-of-christian-doctrine/tradition

"Among the elements which make up the Holy Tradition of the Church, the Bible holds the first place. Next comes the Church’s liturgical life and its prayer, then its dogmatic decisions and the acts of its approved churchly councils, the writings of the church fathers, the lives of the saints, the canon laws, and finally the iconographic tradition together with the other inspired forms of creative artistic expression such as music and architecture. All of the elements of Holy Tradition are organically linked together in real life. None of them stands alone. None may be separated or isolated from the other or from the wholeness of the life of the Church. All come alive in the actual living of the life of the Church in every age and generation, in every time and place. As the Church continues to live by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Tradition of the Church will continue to grow and develop. This process will go on until the establishment of the Kingdom of God at the end of the ages."

Forgive me...

 

[JacksBratt]

https://oca.org/orthodoxy/the-ortho...pture/sources-of-christian-doctrine/tradition

"Among the elements which make up the Holy Tradition of the Church, the Bible holds the first place. Next comes the Church’s liturgical life and its prayer, then its dogmatic decisions and the acts of its approved churchly councils, the writings of the church fathers, the lives of the saints, the canon laws, and finally the iconographic tradition together with the other inspired forms of creative artistic expression such as music and architecture. All of the elements of Holy Tradition are organically linked together in real life. None of them stands alone. None may be separated or isolated from the other or from the wholeness of the life of the Church. All come alive in the actual living of the life of the Church in every age and generation, in every time and place. As the Church continues to live by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the Holy Tradition of the Church will continue to grow and develop. This process will go on until the establishment of the Kingdom of God at the end of the ages."

Forgive me...

So, what happens if any of these contradict the canonical scripture?

 

[Rajni]

one man's "theological error" is another man's "absolute truth".

... post after post arguing what Real Christianity is supposed to be, helpfully demonstrating that one man's theological error is another man's absolute truth...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

By your handle, am I right in guessing you are Eastern Orthodox?
Yes. I belong to The Church of Antioch.
Does eastern orthodoxy have a position on Hell being a 'physical place'? I'd imagine a lot of western Christians think in terms of Hell as some kind of a spiritual realm since they believe the disembodied spirits of the dead go there when the body is still in the ground..

In some contexts, isn't the grave a 'physical place'?
For the Orthodox, heaven and hell are the same "place", that is, in front of God for all eternity. How we experience that is the difference. The lake of fire and eternal damnation were not prepared for man, but are eternal, prepared for Satan and his angels.

Would you consider Justin Martyr/the Philosopher and Papias to be orthodox?
Justin Martyr yes. Papias is not celebrated as a Saint of The Church

Didn't Jesus kind of start the trend, or at least take it to a whole new level? Would anyone preach on Hell (gehenna, etc.) if Jesus hadn't as much about it as He did. Do you consider Jesus to be orthodox?
Anselm of Canterbury and Jonathan Edwards go overboard and preach a different God and Christ, instead of one and the same.

How does this differ from Eastern Orthodox views of the Scriptures?
The Church has never said that scripture is infallible. Therefore we do not say it. That was never it's purpose. Thousands of "true" writings were not included.

Why wouldn't you pray to experience that and believe what you pray?
Everything there is to learn about the scriptures has been taught within The Church. There are no new revelations.

Is there any group that holds that position? Many Christians believe that certain passages are about the 'natural branches.'
The Zionist movement.



So do they let just any poster on the forum come in and partake of Communion, even those who haven't been baptized and gone through the Eastern Orthodox Chrismation ritual?
I said come sing. No, even an unprepared Orthodox Christian cannot partake.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

So, what happens if any of these contradict the canonical scripture?

By their interpretation or yours? They assembled it for their purposes.

Forgive me...