Drinking question

[FrauleinElsa]

I knew someone would come back at me with something like that.
That's why I tried to carefully word my statement.

If alcohol is so healthy, why don't we serve it to our children?

Hey, I said the same thing too. So, I guess if you're going to get mad at her, you should also get mad at me. The reason it's not served to kids is because generally speaking the red wine I mentioned is drunk to prevent clogged arteries and the resulting heart conditions. Have ever seen a kid with clogged arteries?

 

[Melethiel]

Most countries do serve alcohol to children, to get them accustomed to it. America just happens to have overly restrictive drinking laws.
My parents allow me to have wine or champagne on occasions, and I've never felt the urge to go out and get drunk.

 

[FallingWaters]

I don't feel it's wrong. What I think is wrong is people making others feel bad for drinking in moderation. As long as you don't get drunk every time you drink alcohol, I see nothing wrong with it. And red wine has been proven to be healthy. Look at the French. Their diet consists of meat, butter, and cheese but they are healthy because of the wine they drink. Just a little at dinner every night. When I have red wine, I only have one glass which is 5 ounces.

I thought it was the Italians.
I am familiar with the fact that wine is considered to have some health benefits.

Hey, I said the same thing too. So, I guess if you're going to get mad at her, you should also get mad at me. The reason it's not served to kids is because generally speaking the red wine I mentioned is drunk to prevent clogged arteries and the resulting heart conditions. Have ever seen a kid with clogged arteries?

I was speaking to the comparison of alcohol to orange juice.

My point was there is a difference between something having some health benefits,
and something being healthy and good for you.

The fact is that alcohol is known to have many serious, even deadly effects,
compared to orange juice which has none,
unless a person happened to be allergic to it.

 

[Tamara224]

Most countries do serve alcohol to children, to get them accustomed to it. America just happens to have overly restrictive drinking laws.
My parents allow me to have wine or champagne on occasions, and I've never felt the urge to go out and get drunk.

Also, just a note on America's underage drinking laws. I can't speak for all states, but I think most of them allow parents to serve alcohol to their children if they want to.

 

[WarriorAngel]

It is also the base of many medicines.

Yep!

Because legalistic people have declared that it's bad to drink and come up with all sorts of un-truths to convince us we should all abstain.

Many people do serve alcohol to their children. It is my opinion (shared by many, I think) that children served alcohol in moderation and on special occasions are actually less likely to abuse it when they reach their "rebellious teenage years." That's because the "forbidden fruit" aspect is missing and because they've been taught how to use it in moderation.

It's similar to teaching children how to use guns. The answer to preventing accidental shootings with children is not to forbid them to touch guns (because then they just get more curious) but to teach them how to properly and safely handle guns and to have the proper amount of respect for them.

It's also similar to teaching children how to eat properly. We don't teach them to be moderate in eating sweets by refusing all candy, cookies, cake, etc, but by teaching them how much is appropriate to eat.

Besides which, the suggesting that scientific studies and facts about the health benefits of moderate alcohol consumption are negated by the fact that uninformed (or misinformed) people don't serve their children alcohol, is a highly illogical form of argument. There are many reasons people do or don't do things with their children that have nothing whatsoever to do with health benefits. I mean, why DO we serve our children so much refined sugar and corn syrup? Those things are categorically un-healthy for growing children. Most people know that, yet they continue to allow their children to eat the stuff... Obviously, parental decisions concerning children's eating and drinking habits often have very little to do with what we actually know about health risks and benefits.

I let my kids try if they like. They dont like.
Pretty much what my parents did...let me sip wine and alcohol. [AND all of my siblings too]
NONE of us partied overboard all the time.

I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.
Empty tummy I think.

I can take it or leave it. Hardly ever touch the stuff....dont care if I do either.

Good poinits.....I think.

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.<quote>


Exactly why you should just STAY AWAY from alcohol.

 

[Melethiel]

I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.<quote>


Exactly why you should just STAY AWAY from alcohol.

That argument can go for just about anything.
I had more pie than I intended.
I had more coffee than I intended.
etc.

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

The Bible doesn't warn us about pie or coffee though..........it DOES warn us against EXACTLY that with alcohol.



Originally Posted by WarriorAngel


I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.<quote>

 

[Melethiel]

The Bible doesn't warn us about pie or coffee though..........it DOES warn us against EXACTLY that with alcohol.



Originally Posted by WarriorAngel


I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.<quote>

Sure it does. It warns against overeating and gluttony. (No coffee, true, but it IS a mind-altering substance). And yet I don't see anyone suggest that we abstain from food.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

I admit I have had a few too many a few times in my life, but it was not my intent.<quote>


Exactly why you should just STAY AWAY from alcohol.

So, you never got up from a holiday table and said, "I should not have ate so much!" Which is gluttony. Which is what getting drunk is. In fact, gluttony was a stoning offense so..think on that.

 

[BereanTodd]

Orange juice is considered healthful,
alcohol is not.

As has been repeatedly said to you: alcohol is healthy for you, and it is not merely considered or possibly healthy, it is scientifically proven to be healthy.

You think it's ok for a Christian to drink?
You would not think of that person as a carnal Christian?

How exactly does a Christian attain holiness in your opinion?

Was Jesus not holy in your opinion? Jesus turned water to wine for an entire party. He drank wine every day of His life. He drank wine so much others accused Him of being a drunk. The Lord's Supper was observed with wine. Wine is spoken of as a blessing and a good thing in the Old Testament.

Is there anything a Christan should abstain from if they want to be holy?

Anything in excess, be it food, television, drinking or anything.

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

So, you never got up from a holiday table and said, "I should not have ate so much!" Which is gluttony. Which is what getting drunk is. In fact, gluttony was a stoning offense so..think on that.

Too much pie or cheeseburgers doesn't ALTER my inhibitions....cause me to think and act differently.....cause me to drive and harm others potentially......cause me to do things I may not even remember doing the next day......can you not see the difference in that?

 

[PETE_]

Too much pie or cheeseburgers doesn't ALTER my inhibitions....cause me to think and act differently.....cause me to drive and harm others potentially......cause me to do things I may not even remember doing the next day......can you not see the difference in that?

lust is not harmful to others either, but both lust and rape are sinful.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

Can folks please fix the quotes so that I am not credited with saying something I did not. And somebody else given credit for what I did say.

Thanks

 

[MikeMcK]

Orange juice is considered healthful,
alcohol is not.

Actually, wine and some lagers are considered healthful in moderation.

They've been shown to lower cholesterol, high blood pressure, and red wine contains anti-oxidents that help to fight cancer.

But anyway, that wasn't the question. The question wasn't whether or not orange juice is healthful, but is where is the holiness in it?

If you're going to be consistent, then you need to apply the same standard across the board.

 

[MikeMcK]

That doesn't make it right.

No one will ever convince me alcohol is healthy when there are so many bad side effects, besides the damage it does to the organs like the liver and kidneys.

But this only happens when it's used in excess. That isn't what we're talking about. We're talking about moderation and there is no evidence that it's harmful at all in moderation.

 

[FallingWaters]

Woo-hoo!
I can take up drinking!!

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

Sad!

 

[BereanTodd]

Sad!

It's sad to partake of something that the Bible speaks of as a blessing, something which Jesus partook also of, something which He created for others to partake of as well ... sure, you're right ...

 

[FallingWaters]

Healthy Wine Myth Debunked

"Most of those who were deemed "new regular drinkers" consumed between one and 15 units a week, considered light drinking. They were less likely to have a heart attack than those who remained teetotal or still only drank occasionally.

However, they were no less likely to die of heart or cardiovascular disease - and 40% more likely to die of other diseases.


The charity Alcohol Concern said: "The health costs of alcohol far outweigh the benefits, with around 33,000 people dying of alcohol related diseases in the UK every year.""
[emphasis mine]



Maybe I won't take up drinking after all.