Drinking question

[MikeMcK]

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[Leah]

that is what we have been saying..yes

just as its ok to have one cookie, brownie or piece of cake and not eat the whole box, tray, or cake. After all there is little nutritional value in them, mainy enjoyment.

But...........I thought we are the temples of the Holy Spirit and that we are supposed to be holy because God is holy. Where's the holiness in alcohol (whether it's done in moderation or not)???

 

[MikeMcK]

But...........I thought we are the temples of the Holy Spirit and that we are supposed to be holy because God is holy. Where's the holiness in alcohol (whether it's done in moderation or not)???

Where is the holiness in orange juice? Should we now not drink orange juice?

 

[JimfromOhio]

"Spirits" contain alcohol............what is the purpose of drinking alcohol if not to alter your state of mind???.......most people would say to relax or celebrate...........I can do that without drinking anything.....................I just don't think that's a Godly thing to do.

That's matter of opinion. This is why I left legalism churches.

 

[PETE_]

"Spirits" contain alcohol............what is the purpose of drinking alcohol if not to alter your state of mind???.......most people would say to relax or celebrate...........I can do that without drinking anything.....................I just don't think that's a Godly thing to do.

most drink coffee to alter their mind, yet there is not a large anti-coffee crowd. Though I would say dependency on its effects is just as wrong.

 

[BereanTodd]

"Spirits" contain alcohol............what is the purpose of drinking alcohol if not to alter your state of mind???

Or maybe because it tastes good. Some of us like the taste.

.......most people would say to relax or celebrate...........I can do that without drinking anything.....................I just don't think that's a Godly thing to do.

Was it wrong of Jesus to drink alchohol? Was it wrong of him to turn water to wine for an entire party? Was it wrong of Paul to tell Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach? Why does the OT refer to wine as a good thing, a blessing?

 

[PETE_]

But...........I thought we are the temples of the Holy Spirit and that we are supposed to be holy because God is holy. Where's the holiness in alcohol (whether it's done in moderation or not)???

Are we not allowed to just enjoy things as Christians?

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

A very good article:


Drinking
Ronnie Hoover

Today we live in an alcohol saturated society where it is "in" to drink. We need to familiarize ourselves with the real Bible based, Christian perspective on drinking. Many parents, teachers, Campus Pastors, and even preachers shy away from discussing this subject with their students, hoping that the youth of today will be smart enough to make all the right choices where alcohol is concerned. Unfortunately, most alcoholics become interested in drinking at an early age, and I am certain that these men and women, their lives now controlled by alcohol, did not sit down with a panel of experts and discuss the pros and cons of social drinking. They saw, they tasted, they indulged. Therefore, there is no better time than the present to get an honest understanding of the subject - before it is too late.

What Does the Bible Say?

There seems to be a contradiction of thoughts in the Bible about drinking fermented (alcoholic) wine. Solomon, whose great wisdom gave us the books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, declared, Prov 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." (KJV) How could he then say, " Eccl 9:7 "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works." (KJV) Did the wisest man of all times forget what warnings he had just given?

God himself gave a direct command to the priests and their sons to abstain from wine and strong drink when entering the tabernacle. Then, after they had entered the promised land, he instructed that the "drink offering should be of wine." Lev. 24:13 Is it possible that our God, who is perfect in all his ways has changed his mind on this subject?

And what about Paul, the great apostle? Did he encourage Timothy to drink fermented wine? Did he entice Timothy, a young leader and officer of the church, to drink wine, when he had just instructed the bishops of the church not to be given to wine? Did Paul, a learned man of the holy scriptures, purposely ignore the warning of the King Solomon and the prophet Habakkuk?

A Deeper Look Into the Word

Many, I might add most, Bible commentaries imply that all wine referred to in the scriptures is indeed fermented, alcoholic wine. They suggest the Bible only speaks against "immoderate" drinking. "Moderation" is used only one time in the Bible and it is not speaking about drinking. These commentaries rely on basically two forms of study about issues like this: Tradition and what I'll call the splitting of ancient words, etymology.

Traditionally, Christians and Jews often drank vintage wines as they still do in Europe... traditionally, fermented wine was used in the Passover celebration and communion... Tradition is a wonderful thing, BUT, tradition does not make it correct, nor does it make it scriptural.

Now for some splitting of ancient words. There are 13 different words translated as "wine" - 9 in Hebrew and Chaldee, and 4 in Greek. The most common Greek word for wine is "oinos" which corresponds to the Hebrew word "yayin," and the Latin word Vinum. (That ought to tell you something.) These words all translate into our English word "wine." In the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures of Jesus' time) the Hebrew word for grape juice is translated 33 times as the Greek word "oinos" (wine). It is also used to denote other kinds of drinks such as lotus fruits and dates. (1)

Wine? or Wine? Is there a difference?

The problem is with this word "wine." Some believe that the word "wine," unless used figuratively or qualified by another word or phrase, ALWAYS means the fermented juice of the grape - alcohol. How can we know this to be true? The truth is, we don't know. The word "juice" doesn't appear in the New Testament at all, and only once in the Old Testament. All fruit of the vine - whether it be grape juice or alcoholic wine - is called wine. Sometimes the context makes it clear that the meaning is actually fermented wine. Other times it is clear that the meaning is definitely unfermented wine or juice. The problem occurs when the immediate context sheds no light as to whether the wine is to be considered fermented or unfermented.

Non-Alcoholic Wine

The Hebrew "yayin" (wine) includes all types both fermented and unfermented drinks. (2) Yayin when fermented makes one drunk as in Gen. 9:21-24. There are indeed passages of scripture using the word yayin, which according to the context are obviously referring to the non-alcoholic wines. Isa 16:10 "...the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses ...." (KJV) Also, Jer 48:33 " ... and I have caused wine to fail from the winepresses: ..." (KJV) Alcoholic, fermented wine doesn't squirt out of the grape freshly placed into the press, only pure grape juice, unfermented and non-alcoholic "yayin." This is the "wine" Isaiah said there was a blessing in.

Was Jesus a Casual Drinker?

The Wedding at Cana:

What about the wedding at Cana? Jesus turned the water in the pots into wine for himself and all the guests, didn't he? Some modern versions of the Bible wrongly translate John 2:10 by stating or insinuating that normally, after the guest were too drunk to know the difference, the host of the wedding would serve the cheap wine. The translators made a mistake by assuming that the wine was fermented. How could they know? Had the wine not just been made? The Amplified Bible translates the passage this way, "When the people had drunk freely..." The Phillips Translation reads like this, "When men have had plenty to drink," thus leaving room for the reader to determine whether he thought the wine Jesus made was alcoholic or not. This leaves room for one to understand that the guests had merely drank so much that they were full - not intoxicated.

Can you really see our Lord Jesus, the Holy One of Israel contributing to revellers? Does not Rom 13:14 say, "... make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (KJV) If Jesus had provided wine for revellers, He would have been in opposition to this warning of scripture. 1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV) Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV) Revelling is what college students call, partying.

Jesus is called the King of Kings and Prov 31:4-5 says, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:"

Some theologians would say that if the wine were not fermented, it could not be called, "good wine." However, history speaks of a drink that was meant for the gods - nectar or ambrosia, the pure fruit of the vine and non-alcoholic! In Cana, the guests claimed that the best wine was saved for the last. It’s probable that Jesus turned the water in the pots into the best wine - ambrosia!

The Lord's Supper:

Did Jesus serve alcohol to his disciples at the Last Supper to establish a pattern for us to follow in our communion services?

Can you imagine what Solomon would have said if the wine Jesus served was alcoholic? Prov 20:1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise. (NIV) Prov 31:4-5 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. (KJV)

The prophet Habakkuk would have had to remind the son of God, "woe unto him that giveth his neighbor to drink." (this refers to giving with wrong motives.) What about God Himself? When He had said in Lev 10:8-9, "Then the LORD said to Aaron, You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come." (NIV) Also, Ezek 44:21 says, "No priest is to drink wine when he enters the inner court." (NIV) Surely in the light of these scriptures we couldn't continue to believe that Jesus would have established Holy Communion, an order of worship to take place in the sanctuary, with the use of alcohol. Jesus could have completely destroyed the authenticity of God's Word by setting the New Testament against the Old. Contrary to popular belief, the word wine is not used in any passage concerning the Lord's supper. When speaking of the drink used, Jesus uses only the word "cup." He then tells us, "I will not drink of this (fruit of the vine) cup until that day when I drink it with you in my Father's kingdom." Jesus was obviously referring to fruit juice from the grape vine, and not alcoholic fermented wine.

But Wine is Good for the Stomach

1 Tim 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (KJV)

I am not sure of all the medical ramifications behind this passage. I don't see a scriptural problem with using medicines that contain alcohol content. This is a difficult passage, because I know that alcohol is a difficult substance for the digestive system to eliminate.
Regardless, the same thought remains, we do not know if this word is referring to alcoholic or non-alcoholic drink.

What are we to do?

We now know that the Bible speaks of two types of wine - fermented and unfermented, alcoholic and non-alcoholic. How then are we to unmistakable determine those times in the scriptures where there is no direct indication of the alcoholic content?

I believe we need to examine all scriptures and determine for ourselves which is most harmonious to the entirety of God's Word which will not contradict itself in any way. If the instructions say not to drink "wine," it is alcoholic. If they say the "wine" is a blessing, it is non-alcoholic. It's as simple as that!

You Must Decide and Take a Stand

At this point the casual, social drinker must ask himself several questions. First, having previously justified my drinking by the scriptural passages of Jesus turning the water into wine and even using it himself in the Lord's supper, how can I now continue to drink alcohol?

Second, am I willing to hear and obey God's commandments and heed his warning to his servants? Do I truly have a desire to put Jesus first in my life and seek first the kingdom of God? Since Rom 14:21 specifically says, drinking could be a stumbling block to my brother, am I willing to give it up completely?
Rom 14:21 "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." (KJV) In full knowledge of these scriptures, why do you drink? to be socially accepted? because it is a drug that makes you feel good? or is it because you are in open defiance against God and his word?

The scriptures have only one word on drinking alcoholic beverages of any kind -
TOTAL ABSTINENCE!!!

 

[JimfromOhio]

A very good article:


Drinking
Ronnie Hoover

Today we live in an alcohol saturated society where it is "in" to drink. We need to familiarize ourselves with the real Bible based, Christian perspective on drinking. Many parents, teachers, Campus Pastors, and even preachers shy away from discussing this subject with their students, hoping that the youth of today will be smart enough to make all the right choices where alcohol is concerned. Unfortunately, most alcoholics become interested in drinking at an early age, and I am certain that these men and women, their lives now controlled by alcohol, did not sit down with a panel of experts and discuss the pros and cons of social drinking. They saw, they tasted, they indulged. Therefore, there is no better time than the present to get an honest understanding of the subject - before it is too late.

What Does the Bible Say?

There seems to be a contradiction of thoughts in the Bible about drinking fermented (alcoholic) wine. Solomon, whose great wisdom gave us the books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes, declared, Prov 20:1 "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise." (KJV) How could he then say, " Eccl 9:7 "Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works." (KJV) Did the wisest man of all times forget what warnings he had just given?

God himself gave a direct command to the priests and their sons to abstain from wine and strong drink when entering the tabernacle. Then, after they had entered the promised land, he instructed that the "drink offering should be of wine." Lev. 24:13 Is it possible that our God, who is perfect in all his ways has changed his mind on this subject?

And what about Paul, the great apostle? Did he encourage Timothy to drink fermented wine? Did he entice Timothy, a young leader and officer of the church, to drink wine, when he had just instructed the bishops of the church not to be given to wine? Did Paul, a learned man of the holy scriptures, purposely ignore the warning of the King Solomon and the prophet Habakkuk?

A Deeper Look Into the Word

Many, I might add most, Bible commentaries imply that all wine referred to in the scriptures is indeed fermented, alcoholic wine. They suggest the Bible only speaks against "immoderate" drinking. "Moderation" is used only one time in the Bible and it is not speaking about drinking. These commentaries rely on basically two forms of study about issues like this: Tradition and what I'll call the splitting of ancient words, etymology.

Traditionally, Christians and Jews often drank vintage wines as they still do in Europe... traditionally, fermented wine was used in the Passover celebration and communion... Tradition is a wonderful thing, BUT, tradition does not make it correct, nor does it make it scriptural.

Now for some splitting of ancient words. There are 13 different words translated as "wine" - 9 in Hebrew and Chaldee, and 4 in Greek. The most common Greek word for wine is "oinos" which corresponds to the Hebrew word "yayin," and the Latin word Vinum. (That ought to tell you something.) These words all translate into our English word "wine." In the Septuagint (the Greek version of the Hebrew scriptures of Jesus' time) the Hebrew word for grape juice is translated 33 times as the Greek word "oinos" (wine). It is also used to denote other kinds of drinks such as lotus fruits and dates. (1)

Wine? or Wine? Is there a difference?

The problem is with this word "wine." Some believe that the word "wine," unless used figuratively or qualified by another word or phrase, ALWAYS means the fermented juice of the grape - alcohol. How can we know this to be true? The truth is, we don't know. The word "juice" doesn't appear in the New Testament at all, and only once in the Old Testament. All fruit of the vine - whether it be grape juice or alcoholic wine - is called wine. Sometimes the context makes it clear that the meaning is actually fermented wine. Other times it is clear that the meaning is definitely unfermented wine or juice. The problem occurs when the immediate context sheds no light as to whether the wine is to be considered fermented or unfermented.

Non-Alcoholic Wine

The Hebrew "yayin" (wine) includes all types both fermented and unfermented drinks. (2) Yayin when fermented makes one drunk as in Gen. 9:21-24. There are indeed passages of scripture using the word yayin, which according to the context are obviously referring to the non-alcoholic wines. Isa 16:10 "...the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses ...." (KJV) Also, Jer 48:33 " ... and I have caused wine to fail from the winepresses: ..." (KJV) Alcoholic, fermented wine doesn't squirt out of the grape freshly placed into the press, only pure grape juice, unfermented and non-alcoholic "yayin." This is the "wine" Isaiah said there was a blessing in.

Was Jesus a Casual Drinker?

The Wedding at Cana:

What about the wedding at Cana? Jesus turned the water in the pots into wine for himself and all the guests, didn't he? Some modern versions of the Bible wrongly translate John 2:10 by stating or insinuating that normally, after the guest were too drunk to know the difference, the host of the wedding would serve the cheap wine. The translators made a mistake by assuming that the wine was fermented. How could they know? Had the wine not just been made? The Amplified Bible translates the passage this way, "When the people had drunk freely..." The Phillips Translation reads like this, "When men have had plenty to drink," thus leaving room for the reader to determine whether he thought the wine Jesus made was alcoholic or not. This leaves room for one to understand that the guests had merely drank so much that they were full - not intoxicated.

Can you really see our Lord Jesus, the Holy One of Israel contributing to revellers? Does not Rom 13:14 say, "... make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof." (KJV) If Jesus had provided wine for revellers, He would have been in opposition to this warning of scripture. 1 Cor 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV) Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. (KJV) Revelling is what college students call, partying.

Jesus is called the King of Kings and Prov 31:4-5 says, "It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:"

Some theologians would say that if the wine were not fermented, it could not be called, "good wine." However, history speaks of a drink that was meant for the gods - nectar or ambrosia, the pure fruit of the vine and non-alcoholic! In Cana, the guests claimed that the best wine was saved for the last. It’s probable that Jesus turned the water in the pots into the best wine - ambrosia!

The Lord's Supper:

Did Jesus serve alcohol to his disciples at the Last Supper to establish a pattern for us to follow in our communion services?

Can you imagine what Solomon would have said if the wine Jesus served was alcoholic? Prov 20:1 Wine is a mocker and beer a brawler; whoever is led astray by them is not wise. (NIV) Prov 31:4-5 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink: 5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted. (KJV)

The prophet Habakkuk would have had to remind the son of God, "woe unto him that giveth his neighbor to drink." (this refers to giving with wrong motives.) What about God Himself? When He had said in Lev 10:8-9, "Then the LORD said to Aaron, You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come." (NIV) Also, Ezek 44:21 says, "No priest is to drink wine when he enters the inner court." (NIV) Surely in the light of these scriptures we couldn't continue to believe that Jesus would have established Holy Communion, an order of worship to take place in the sanctuary, with the use of alcohol. Jesus could have completely destroyed the authenticity of God's Word by setting the New Testament against the Old. Contrary to popular belief, the word wine is not used in any passage concerning the Lord's supper. When speaking of the drink used, Jesus uses only the word "cup." He then tells us, "I will not drink of this (fruit of the vine) cup until that day when I drink it with you in my Father's kingdom." Jesus was obviously referring to fruit juice from the grape vine, and not alcoholic fermented wine.

But Wine is Good for the Stomach

1 Tim 5:23 "Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities." (KJV)

I am not sure of all the medical ramifications behind this passage. I don't see a scriptural problem with using medicines that contain alcohol content. This is a difficult passage, because I know that alcohol is a difficult substance for the digestive system to eliminate.
Regardless, the same thought remains, we do not know if this word is referring to alcoholic or non-alcoholic drink.

What are we to do?

We now know that the Bible speaks of two types of wine - fermented and unfermented, alcoholic and non-alcoholic. How then are we to unmistakable determine those times in the scriptures where there is no direct indication of the alcoholic content?

I believe we need to examine all scriptures and determine for ourselves which is most harmonious to the entirety of God's Word which will not contradict itself in any way. If the instructions say not to drink "wine," it is alcoholic. If they say the "wine" is a blessing, it is non-alcoholic. It's as simple as that!

You Must Decide and Take a Stand

At this point the casual, social drinker must ask himself several questions. First, having previously justified my drinking by the scriptural passages of Jesus turning the water into wine and even using it himself in the Lord's supper, how can I now continue to drink alcohol?

Second, am I willing to hear and obey God's commandments and heed his warning to his servants? Do I truly have a desire to put Jesus first in my life and seek first the kingdom of God? Since Rom 14:21 specifically says, drinking could be a stumbling block to my brother, am I willing to give it up completely?
Rom 14:21 "It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak." (KJV) In full knowledge of these scriptures, why do you drink? to be socially accepted? because it is a drug that makes you feel good? or is it because you are in open defiance against God and his word?

The scriptures have only one word on drinking alcoholic beverages of any kind -
TOTAL ABSTINENCE!!!

Sounds like a true legalist.

 

[MikeMcK]

The scriptures have only one word on drinking alcoholic beverages of any kind -
TOTAL ABSTINENCE!!!

The problem is that the only scriptures you bothered to cite are referring to drinking to the point of drunkenness, not drinking in moderation.

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

I'm sorry......it sounds like you enjoy your sin and are trying to make excuses for it.....if that's legalism, Jim, then I'm proud to be a legalist.....I'm done arguing this.....wasn't my intention, so I'll let it go.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

I'm pulling out a couple of examples. From what you've posted Christian1stBaptist2nd...

The problem with applying "You don't drink before you go into the Tent..." to everyday life, is it's legalism plain and simple. It is applying rules where they do not belong.

Now, this is a good example of, "Well where else would this apply to?"

It would apply to when driving a car, going to work, taking care of young children, when one's mind needs to be sharp and without error.

2nd point. Being there is a word for Juice, Mits and a word for wine Yayin...I'm trying to figure out what the problem is with the translation.

 

[WarriorAngel]

The bible is not very clear about if it is a sin or not to drink beer or wine. There are several verses to support both sides of the fence- some believe it's a sin to have fermented wine, other's believe it's ok so long as you arnt drunk.
I want to know for sure because i gave up drinking totally (not even nyquil) when i really started to live for god. i feel like this is a sign to myself that makes me different than before because i drank alot. but then after a few years i felt like i was doing it in vein since the lord loved me anyways and i was saved because he said so, not because i earned it.
I want to know specifically what the bible says about moderate drinking. not getting drunk, but one or two beers here or there.

The Bible as a whole is very clear.

Ok, we know gluttony is a sin...right?
Gluttony is over indulgence...right?
Getting drunk is over indulgence...right?
Jesus was accused of being a drunkard...right?
*[which means He enjoyed wine, but did not necessarily become a drunkard, only that He associated with drunks apparently ~ sinners]
Jesus used wine at the Last Supper....right?
Jesus changed water into wine...right?
*[we know this because the head waiter says most folks serve the good stuff first and when ppl are filled with the good stuff, out comes the lesser quality. Not so with the wine Christ gave them]

Conclusion;
It is ok to drink some alcohol, and in fact studies proove that the nectar of the Lord [wine] helps the heart.
It is ok to do this on occasion.

It is however; not ok to get drunk because it crosses the line to gluttony.

 

[PETE_]

2nd point. Being there is a word for Juice, Mits and a word for wine Yayin...I'm trying to figure out what the problem is with the translation.

that interpretation does not fit the agenda

 

[JimfromOhio]

I'm sorry......it sounds like you enjoy your sin and are trying to make excuses for it.....if that's legalism, Jim, then I'm proud to be a legalist.....I'm done arguing this.....wasn't my intention, so I'll let it go.

This (highlighted in red) is my main problem with legalism. They are using their "own" defintion of sins as the Pharisees did. I would be careful when you say as you said in "red" text.

"A pharisee is hard on others and easy on himself, but a spiritual man is easy on others and hard on himself" (A.W. Tozer).

Today's legalists are those who are similar to Pharisees' attitudes are those who magnifies the faults of those who based others on appearance and diminishes their graces, while they promote their external works. Often those who are like the Pharisees are proud. The Greek word alazoneia refers to being proud when you really have nothing to be proud about. We live in a proud and egotistical generation. People continually promote themselves.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

it sounds like you enjoy your sin and are trying to make excuses for it.....if that's legalism, Jim, then I'm proud to be a legalist.....

Wow, that's really mean. And it's never good to be a legalist, even in jest. Legalism is bad and it doesn't permit for faith. Anytime you're legalistic it says you're relying on yourself rather than faith and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. Otherwise, there'd be no need for that. I think.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Deuteronomy 14
26 And thou shalt buy with the same money whatsoever pleaseth thee, either of the herds or of sheep, wine also and strong drink, and all that thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, and shalt feast, thou and thy house:
2 Deuteronomy 29
6 You have not eaten bread, nor have you drunk wine or strong drink: that you might know that I am the Lord your God.
3 Judges 13
4 Now therefore beware and drink no wine nor strong drink, and eat not any unclean thing. 5 For thou shalt conceive a son….
4 Judges 13
7 But he answered thus: Behold thou shalt conceive and bear a son: beware thou drink no wine, nor strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: for the child shall be a Nazarite of God from his infancy, from his mother's womb until the day of his death.
5 Judges 13
14 And let her eat nothing that cometh of the vine, neither let her drink wine or strong drink, nor eat any unclean thing: and whatsoever I have commanded her, let her fulfill and observe.
6 1 Kings 1
15 Anna answering, said: Not so, my lord: for I am an exceeding unhappy woman, and have drunk neither wine nor any strong drink, but I have poured out my soul before the Lord.
7 Proverbs 31
6 Give strong drink to them that are sad: and wine to them that are grieved in mind:
IF you look carefully….women were told to abstain from wine because IT IS FERMENTED…and is considered the same as ‘strong drink’.
And there is no way the Lord would ask a woman to abstain from just juice.

I hope these verses help those who do not understand ancient traditions….that wine was indeed wine. For men and women to have happiness.

See the Proverb.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Deuteronomy 14

I hope these verses help those who do not understand ancient traditions….that wine was indeed wine. For men and women to have happiness.

See the Proverb.

Hey, you're wearing my dress, lol!

 

[JimfromOhio]

Hey, you're wearing my dress, lol!

Irish St Patrick weekend GREEN FEVER.

 

[Christian1stBaptist2nd]

My apologies to one and all..........you have your views and I have mine........I don't want to argue or hurt feelings.........we'll just agree to disagree........AGREED???.......LOL