Drinking question

[FrauleinElsa]

fine by me.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

that interpretation does not fit the agenda

Agenda?

My apologies to one and all..........you have your views and I have mine........I don't want to argue or hurt feelings.........we'll just agree to disagree........AGREED???.......LOL

Agreed

 

[winslow]

Im not making any excuses- i want to know if im living for god or if im walking like this in vien just to please the opinion of men.

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If your motivation is to please the opinions of men then you are doing it in vain.

If your motivation is to please God then He honors your commitment to Him.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Hey, you're wearing my dress, lol!

GMTA [Great minds think alike] Hehe

Irish St Patrick weekend GREEN FEVER.

Definitely. AND since this thread is about alcohol...I hope I get some green wine.
Or beer. But I prefer a bottle of white wine to color. lol

My apologies to one and all..........you have your views and I have mine........I don't want to argue or hurt feelings.........we'll just agree to disagree........AGREED???.......LOL

This is fine. But I hope you do take time to understand the POV presented. And not really so much POV, but historical understandings.
God Bless.

 

[PETE_]

Agenda?



Agreed

I believe the interpretation is correct, but some do not want that to be what it says.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

I believe the interpretation is correct, but some do not want that to be what it says.

AHHH ok

 

[stray bullet]

It's not a question of gluttony I don't thin- it is an issue of WHY you are doing it.

You you like an ice cold beer because it refreshes you after mowing the lawn on a hot summer and takes the edge off, cool.

If you want a nice glass of wine or beer to compliment a meal- or just as a late night 'snack' that's fine.

If you get together with people and have some cocktails together, that's fine, you're being social and hopefully responsible.

If you are drinking to cope, provide a sense of fulfillment or because you are bored, that's an issue.

 

[FallingWaters]

1Co 6:12 "All things are lawful for me," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful for me," but I will not be enslaved by anything.

1Co 10:23 "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up.

[ESV]

 

[Leah]

Where is the holiness in orange juice? Should we now not drink orange juice?

Why do I even bother...........

 

[MikeMcK]

Why do I even bother...........

I don't know.

Where is the holiness in orange juice. Should we now not drink orange juice?

 

[IgnatiusOfAntioch]

The bible is not very clear about if it is a sin or not to drink beer or wine. There are several verses to support both sides of the fence- some believe it's a sin to have fermented wine, other's believe it's ok so long as you arnt drunk.
I want to know for sure because i gave up drinking totally (not even nyquil) when i really started to live for god. i feel like this is a sign to myself that makes me different than before because i drank alot. but then after a few years i felt like i was doing it in vein since the lord loved me anyways and i was saved because he said so, not because i earned it.
I want to know specifically what the bible says about moderate drinking. not getting drunk, but one or two beers here or there.

Actually it's perfectly clear. It's not a sin. The bible is also crystal clear that drunkenness is a sin. If the average persion has more than one or two drinks, depending on your body weight, that's probably starting to become sinful.

 

[FallingWaters]

Where is the holiness in orange juice? Should we now not drink orange juice?

Orange juice is considered healthful,
alcohol is not.

 

[Tamara224]

Orange juice is considered healthful,
alcohol is not.

That's actually not really true. It is true that excessive alcohol consumption has health risks, but moderate and even regular consumption of alcohol has many health benefits. Check out this article for more info:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html

 

[FallingWaters]

Sounds like a true legalist.

I'm confused about what you're saying.
You've obviously spent a lot of time thinking about this.

You think it's ok for a Christian to drink?
You would not think of that person as a carnal Christian?

How exactly does a Christian attain holiness in your opinion?

Is there anything a Christan should abstain from if they want to be holy?

 

[FallingWaters]

That's actually not really true. It is true that excessive alcohol consumption has health risks, but moderate and even regular consumption of alcohol has many health benefits. Check out this article for more info:

http://www2.potsdam.edu/hansondj/AlcoholAndHealth.html

I knew someone would come back at me with something like that.
That's why I tried to carefully word my statement.

If alcohol is so healthy, why don't we serve it to our children?

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

I knew someone would come back at me with something like that.
That's why I tried to carefully word my statement.

If alcohol is so healthy, why don't we serve it to our children?

Governmental laws in the United States.

In many countries, children do drink a mixed wine, some sparkling water or plain water added to the wine.

 

[FallingWaters]

Governmental laws in the United States.

In many countries, children do drink a mixed wine, some sparkling water or plain water added to the wine.

That doesn't make it right.

No one will ever convince me alcohol is healthy when there are so many bad side effects, besides the damage it does to the organs like the liver and kidneys.

 

[LadyGarnetRose]

That doesn't make it right.

No one will ever convince me alcohol is healthy when there are so many bad side effects, besides the damage it does to the organs like the liver and kidneys.

In moderate drinking, it does no damage to the liver and kidneys.

 

[PETE_]

That doesn't make it right.

No one will ever convince me alcohol is healthy when there are so many bad side effects, besides the damage it does to the organs like the liver and kidneys.

It is also the base of many medicines.

 

[Tamara224]

I knew someone would come back at me with something like that.
That's why I tried to carefully word my statement.

If alcohol is so healthy, why don't we serve it to our children?

Because legalistic people have declared that it's bad to drink and come up with all sorts of un-truths to convince us we should all abstain.

Many people do serve alcohol to their children. It is my opinion (shared by many, I think) that children served alcohol in moderation and on special occasions are actually less likely to abuse it when they reach their "rebellious teenage years." That's because the "forbidden fruit" aspect is missing and because they've been taught how to use it in moderation.

It's similar to teaching children how to use guns. The answer to preventing accidental shootings with children is not to forbid them to touch guns (because then they just get more curious) but to teach them how to properly and safely handle guns and to have the proper amount of respect for them.

It's also similar to teaching children how to eat properly. We don't teach them to be moderate in eating sweets by refusing all candy, cookies, cake, etc, but by teaching them how much is appropriate to eat.

Besides which, the suggesting that scientific studies and facts about the health benefits of moderate alcohol consumption are negated by the fact that uninformed (or misinformed) people don't serve their children alcohol, is a highly illogical form of argument. There are many reasons people do or don't do things with their children that have nothing whatsoever to do with health benefits. I mean, why DO we serve our children so much refined sugar and corn syrup? Those things are categorically un-healthy for growing children. Most people know that, yet they continue to allow their children to eat the stuff... Obviously, parental decisions concerning children's eating and drinking habits often have very little to do with what we actually know about health risks and benefits.