Donald J. Trump the Final Trumpet Sound?

[Abraxos]

You posted it first, and just because I respond, you say that I'm more interested in the anti-christ than you are? That's just dodging your own interest.
A presupposition is something that is assumed at the beginning of an argument.

You posted first with your presupposition. I responded with Biblical reasons why I disagreed with what you said. My disagreeing does not make what I said a presupposition.

The most that you could call what I've posted, is a debunking of your presupposition.
Putting Donald Trump into the pages of the end-times means that we are not on the same page.

Although, yes, we are both talking about the end-times. However, your theological framework is lassoing what's future and pulling it to what's present.. the future is getting close on it's own, but it ain't here yet.
The word translated "earth" means "land", as in the particular land where the "beast empire" comes from. In the case of the Bible talking about known nations and their locations, the word "earth" is too broad for use since it implies the entire planet we all live on.

Your guess with "sea" versus "sparse" looks like to me that you are trying to be poetic like Proverbs is by comparing one line with the other.

It doesn't mean to imply that whereas "the sea" is multiple people, that the land is "sparse". But if sparse, then I have to ask, "sparse" in what particular way? Finish your speculation at least.
That doesn't describe America, in case you're mildly implying it.

In keeping with the prophetical and historical geographical spotlight always shining in the Middle East area, it would be way wrong to think that it in anyway is talking about Northern America.

The only place where a land is considered to be sparse, is the Middle Eastern area.

While, the sea would have to refer to the Mediterranean area, where those ancient empires are located.

Through the European Union the Middle East nations have gained political power, as well as military power or just plain terrorism tactics.

Have you noticed that a particular flag has a red dragon on it? Or did you knowingly refer to that above?
The European Union.

America has very little power in the EU. Do you remember when national leaders stood at the podium and openly mocked our then President Bush?
When Obama was President he showed very little political or military power, but merely supported troops in the Middle East when there was terrorism over there.

The EU accumulated their power because the various countries united in the plan of a one world government.
In being united, the Daniel dreams depict each empire to be represented by a known animal. Even as each empire in the historical archeological discoveries display an animal to stand for that empire.

As America uses the Eagle.

In prophecy being consistent as it is, if America were truly involved, then the anti-christ "beast" would be identified as our bird of prey. So again, America is not the proud host of the anti-christ.
The reason why the final empire is separate from the description of the others, is that the final one is a conglomeration of the previous beast animals written of in Daniel.

The grotesque conglomeration which indicates the unity of the nations (such as the European Union) for lack of a better example. Do you remember the uproar in the news of Britain breaking away from the EU? There's every possibility that a few more will break away.

That will set up for an upcoming "little horn", to come on the scene, who makes itself bigger by gaining conquest over three, which makes "the little horn", a big horn. In that case, size really does matter. The next office to seek would be "The World Ruler".

The prophetic last empire being separate from the others, does not mean that it's referring to America. How could it be? There was no America at the time of Daniel. Not only that, but America's location is too far away from that prophetic spotlight.

The conglomerate beast, and Nebuchadnezzar's dream statue's feet/toes are a mixture of iron and clay.. which is describing the same final empire.

The EU is both socialistic and militant. Weak and strong. Iron and clay.

Where are you getting this assumption that I was talking about the Antichrist in the OP? Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping to any conclusions.

I do not disagree that 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8 is referring to the Antichrist. My question to you was why do you believe it is in connection to Revelation 6:2?
But I'd imagine Trump and America in Bible prophecy would most certainly be a cause for controversy for the more traditional eschatological groups.

 

[Jezmeyah]

Where are you getting this assumption that I was talking about the Antichrist in the OP? Perhaps you should read the whole thread before jumping to any conclusions.

I had no question that you were definitely talking about Donald Trump as the next evil world ruler.

I do not disagree that 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8 is referring to the Antichrist. My question to you was why do you believe it is in connection to Revelation 6:2?

You have heard some teaching that states that the two scripture verses are not speaking of the same guy.

So, you feel yourself free to put in just anybody that you think fits the bill. Interesting, but not sound eschatology.

But I'd imagine Trump and America in Bible prophecy would most certainly be a cause for controversy for the more traditional eschatological groups.

If you consider what I've posted to be "traditional" like that is a bad thing. Then what do you consider your eschatology to be, biblically liberated to ignore all sound exegesis?

There's a thread somewhere on this forum that I read just yesterday where they "discussed" (Christians "discuss" like long married couples "discuss") all angles of the topic.

1. each name means a separate person.
2. some verses of different names speak of the same person.
3. all verses with different names speak of the same person.

I'll take #3, Alex Trebek.

Why I arrive at that? Because different names or not, every verse refers to the 1 endtime world ruler. Little horn, anti-christ, lawless one, etc. They are all the same guy. Each "name" given describes in a different way, that one guy, depending on the context in which he is being spoken of.

The apostle John called him the anti-christ, because, read his gospel and epistles, he is a guy who mentions anointing alot. So, naturally, Jesus the Anointed's nemesis would be the anti- anointed.

Daniel called him the little horn, because it was a dream symbol. In scripture, horn has to do with strength, and guess what, anointing.

The apostle Paul called him the lawless one, because Jesus did, refering to the false prophet who was influenced by the anti-christ spirit in the world. Lawless means anti-law. Law means instructions. God's instructions, that come to Moses and such by avenue of the Holy Spirit. Who is he? What Jesus quoted, "The Spirit of God is upon me because he has .. wait for it.. anointed me."

Do you see the theme here?

And, no, I didn't hear this as a teaching from anyone anywhere at any time. I wrote it just now and hadn't really put it together like this before.

 

[CrystalDragon]

People have thought the end times were here for almost 2,000 years. No dice yet.

Also there's no singular Antichrist, there were many in Jesus's time.

 

[Abraxos]

I had no question that you were definitely talking about Donald Trump as the next evil world ruler.
You have heard some teaching that states that the two scripture verses are not speaking of the same guy.

So, you feel yourself free to put in just anybody that you think fits the bill. Interesting, but not sound eschatology.
If you consider what I've posted to be "traditional" like that is a bad thing. Then what do you consider your eschatology to be, biblically liberated to ignore all sound exegesis?

There's a thread somewhere on this forum that I read just yesterday where they "discussed" (Christians "discuss" like long married couples "discuss") all angles of the topic.

1. each name means a separate person.
2. some verses of different names speak of the same person.
3. all verses with different names speak of the same person.

I'll take #3, Alex Trebek.

Why I arrive at that? Because different names or not, every verse refers to the 1 endtime world ruler. Little horn, anti-christ, lawless one, etc. They are all the same guy. Each "name" given describes in a different way, that one guy, depending on the context in which he is being spoken of.

The apostle John called him the anti-christ, because, read his gospel and epistles, he is a guy who mentions anointing alot. So, naturally, Jesus the Anointed's nemesis would be the anti- anointed.

Daniel called him the little horn, because it was a dream symbol. In scripture, horn has to do with strength, and guess what, anointing.

The apostle Paul called him the lawless one, because Jesus did. Lawless means anti-law. Law means instructions. God's instructions, that come to Moses and such by avenue of the Holy Spirit. Who is he? What Jesus quoted, "The Spirit of God is upon me because he has .. wait for it.. anointed me."

Do you see the theme here?

And, no, I didn't hear this as a teaching from anyone anywhere at any time. I wrote it just now and hadn't really put it together like this before.

If you read the whole thread you'd soon realize that I went into detail on the matter of why I think Trump is in Bible prophecy and why the white rider is not the Antichrist. It's rather daunting to keep repeating myself.

I still am not seeing what is so Biblically sound with connecting Revelation 6:2 with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8.

 

[Jezmeyah]

If you read the whole thread you'd soon realize that I went into detail on the matter of why I think Trump is in Bible prophecy and why the white rider is not the Antichrist. It's rather daunting to keep repeating myself.

I still am not seeing what is so Biblically sound with connecting Revelation 6:2 with 2 Thessalonians 2:3-8.

First, I am not trying to get you to drop what you believe or why you do, just because I'm posting to you what I believe and why I do.

Second, from my first reply to you, I am just traditional enough that I likely wouldn't agree with your other posts where you did bother to thoroughly explain why you think Trump is the rider of Rev.6:2. So I'd appreciate if you'd stop daunting yourself with thinking that it would actually make a difference if I did read every post that you've posted so far.
Your annoyance at posting that more than once is equal to my annoyance at seeing it written again.

If we're done here, then fine. Or, if you want to continue this discussing but neither budging from our position, fine. We still haven't discussed 2 Thes.2:2-8, but if you'd rather call it quits, fine, S'up to you.

 

[Abraxos]

First, I am not trying to get you to drop what you believe or why you do, just because I'm posting to you what I believe and why I do.

Second, from my first reply to you, I am just traditional enough that I likely wouldn't agree with your other posts where you did bother to thoroughly explain why you think Trump is the rider of Rev.6:2. So I'd appreciate if you'd stop daunting yourself with thinking that it would actually make a difference if I did read every post that you've posted so far.
Your annoyance at posting that more than once is equal to my annoyance at seeing it written again.

If we're done here, then fine. Or, if you want to continue this discussing but neither budging from our position, fine. We still haven't discussed 2 Thes.2:2-8, but if you'd rather call it quits, fine, S'up to you.

If you want to discuss my position then do so accurately. You've setted up a false narrative on a position I never held which is where I find it daunting.

Also all I'm trying to ascertain from your reasoning is why you think the white horse rider depicted in Revelation 6:2 is the Antichrist also seen in 2 Thessalonians where you made a connection. You haven't done so.

 

[Dave Watchman]

However, here is my concern with this interpretation --- as you know the NT was written in Greek and the word "crown" in Greek has two meanings:

Crown = Diadéma (διάδημα)​

Is a king's crown, the king of a sovereign, a person who is royal by his nature and by his position.

Crown = Stephanos (στέφανος)​

A crown given to an overcomer, a victor, one who has won a race.
Additionally, available to believers because they overcame the spiritual warfare and are now crowned at the Judgment seat of the Messiah.

Revelation 6:2 reads, "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown (stephanos) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
The kind of crown mentioned here according to the Greek translation is not a crown we would expect to be given for kingship, but it is a crown representing of overcoming, winning a race, etc.

Revelation 6:2 reads, "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown (stephanos) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
The kind of crown mentioned here according to the Greek translation is not a crown we would expect to be given for kingship, but it is a crown representing of overcoming, winning a race, etc.​

Excellent work, you have found the stephanos.

You are smart.

So what did Trump overcome?

What will the Antichrist overcome?

Doesn't he get thrown into the lake of fire?

"In the world you will have tribulation.
But take heart; I have overcome the world.” - Jesus.​

So Jesus said that He had overcome the whole world.

The One who overcomes, a Victor, One who has won THE Race. What else do they give the Victor, someone who has won a race?

A bow?

Like the blue ribbon given to the first place winner?

And He that sat on him had a bow.

And He that sat on him also has a free gift to be given.

A bow can also be found on a present, on a gift to be freely given away.

The first seal was opened in 1798. When General Berthier put the pope in jail and closed down the Vatican, the Gospel message could finally go out to conquer. And man did He come out conquering, and to conquer. Instead of being coerced into doing what the "church" told us to do to be saved, the message that salvation comes only from having faith in Jesus could finally go out to conquer the masses after the "dark ages" were done.

The Gospel message that salvation is a free gift from God had been suppressed all throughout the middle ages. So it's all about Jesus and the good news of His Kingdom. And it's rider had a bow, like the blue ribbon bow given to the winner of a race.

One who has overcome the world.

 

[Abraxos]

Revelation 6:2 reads, "And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown (stephanos) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer."
The kind of crown mentioned here according to the Greek translation is not a crown we would expect to be given for kingship, but it is a crown representing of overcoming, winning a race, etc.​

Excellent work, you have found the stephanos.

You are smart.

So what did Trump overcome?

What will the Antichrist overcome?

Doesn't he get thrown into the lake of fire?

"In the world you will have tribulation.
But take heart; I have overcome the world.” - Jesus.​

So Jesus said that He had overcome the whole world.

The One who overcomes, a Victor, One who has won THE Race. What else do they give the Victor, someone who has won a race?

A bow?

Like the blue ribbon given to the first place winner?

And He that sat on him had a bow.

And He that sat on him also has a free gift to be given.

A bow can also be found on a present, on a gift to be freely given away.

The first seal was opened in 1798. When General Berthier put the pope in jail and closed down the Vatican, the Gospel message could finally go out to conquer. And man did He come out conquering, and to conquer. Instead of being coerced into doing what the "church" told us to do to be saved, the message that salvation comes only from having faith in Jesus could finally go out to conquer the masses after the "dark ages" were done.

The Gospel message that salvation is a free gift from God had been suppressed all throughout the middle ages. So it's all about Jesus and the good news of His Kingdom. And its rider had a bow, like the blue ribbon bow given to the winner of a race.

One who has overcome the world.

Well Trump won the US election race against all odds going against him, I'd say that is a rather telling clue to "overcoming". The Greek translation merely shows that the crown mentioned in Revelation 6:2 is a crown stephanos, it doesn't mention what he was overcoming. So it is premature to think a crown stephanos is only intended for those overcoming the world as Jesus did.
Revelation 6:2 also states that "and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Why is there an emphasis here? In the Greek transaltion conquering and to conquer also means "overcome." As you probably have noticed with one of Trumps mantras is that he claims to be a winner, and those that voted for him will keep winning until they're tired of winning.

A bow?

Like the blue ribbon given to the first place winner?

And He that sat on him had a bow.

(An insert from post #7)
I'm sure you know that the Bible interprets itself, so the mention of bow with no arrows does not mean peace. The "Bow" is mentioned 78 times in 75 verses, over 50 times it is mentioned without arrows. Here is Jeremiah 49:35,
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might."

Here "bow" represents the might of Elam. The Lord would break the might and power of Elam; "Bow" represents power or might. Would you agree? Another example that 'bow' means strength is seen in Genesis 49:23-24, it reads,

"The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob;

So from Genesis to Revelation the bow has always symbolised strength and might.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I'm sure you know that the Bible interprets itself, so the mention of bow with no arrows does not mean peace. The "Bow" is mentioned 78 times in 75 verses, over 50 times it is mentioned without arrows. Here is Jeremiah 49:35,
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will break the bow of Elam, the chief of their might."

Here "bow" represents the might of Elam. The Lord would break the might and power of Elam; "Bow" represents power or might. Would you agree? Another example that 'bow' means strength is seen in Genesis 49:23-24, it reads,

"The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob;

So from Genesis to Revelation the bow has always symbolised strength and might.

Would you agree?

Almost.

You almost had me thinking for a second. But seal two and three also have a rock solid historical fit, they can't be moved. Seal four is the one we're waiting for. That's the seal that Trump is signaling, I'm sorry to say.

What about a rain bow?

"And He Who was sitting was in appearance like a jasper stone and a sardius stone;
and a rainbow was around the throne . . .​

Well Trump won the US election race against all odds going against him, I'd say that is a rather telling clue to "overcoming". The Greek translation merely shows that the crown mentioned in Revelation 6:2 is a crown stephanos, it doesn't mention what he was overcoming. So it is premature to think a crown stephanos is only intended for those overcoming the world as Jesus did.
Revelation 6:2 also states that "and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." Why is there an emphasis here? In the Greek transaltion conquering and to conquer also means "overcome." As you probably have noticed with one of Trumps mantras is that he claims to be a winner, and those that voted for him will keep winning until they're tired of winning.

Well I do think that Trump is a sign, just like Obama was a sign. The abomination of desolation was set up while Obama was President so we got:the "Obama nation of desolation".

Now a president with the name of Trump is sent as a signal. He will be President when the first of seven Trumpettes fall. (SORRY)

I knew that they were coming anyway.

On election night I was watching a live graph and it was awesome. It was like predestination. I knew that he would win. I told people on another forum, and they didn't like it.

 

[Abraxos]

Almost.

You almost had me thinking for a second. But seal two and three also have a rock solid historical fit, they can't be moved. Seal four is the one we're waiting for. That's the seal that Trump is signaling, I'm sorry to say.

What about a rain bow?

"And He Who was sitting was in appearance like a jasper stone and a sardius stone;
and a rainbow was around the throne . . .​

Some do say that the word for bow and rainbow is the same word in Hebrew, but we need to remember that the NT was written in Greek. And in the Greek translation 'bow' = toxon and 'rainbow' = iris.
Revelation 4:3 reads,
And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow (iris) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

I'm not as openly settling anything in stone as the more traditional interpretations have done so. I think there is a fine line in Revelation prophecy interpretations to settle on anything that it would be misleading and to the point dangerously playing with dogmatism.

Well I do think that Trump is a sign, just like Obama was a sign. The abomination of desolation was set up while Obama was President so we got:the "Obama nation of desolation".

Now a president with the name of Trump is sent as a signal. He will be President when the first of seven Trumpettes fall. (SORRY)

I knew that they were coming anyway.

On election night I was watching a live graph and it was awesome. It was like predestination. I knew that he would win. I told people on another forum, and they didn't like it.

I also knew Trump would win comfortably. I saw the hypocrisy and lies that the MSM were feeding the left. But you cannot deny that Trump was up against an establishment that did not want him to win. But he did. The win was unprecedented in history, and it was loud... like a trumpet.

What happened next I do not think anyone would have anticipated, the left went nuts. Could it be the result of Revelation 16:2? Perhaps time would tell.

 

[NeedyFollower]

I think one of the biggest deceptions of all times is that "the right " is any more Godly than the left. One nation under God is a slogan and clearly a falsehood if it implies that we are a nation which believes and practices God's Word as revealed in His Son Jesus Christ. Cain believed in God and had dialogue with Him. We were formed in rebellion and bloodshed.

All the founding fathers were deist but not followers of the lamb ..did not believe in submitting to the King and they were ALL wealthy ( as you must have been to have a voice. ) Do not be deceived . We shall reap what we have sown. Just as another point of view. What if God raised up America in order to utterly destroy it as a warning to the rest of the world as He did Sodom?

This is true or it is not ...Why are we special ? Actually ..in truth, a country that casually throws His Holy name around, has it on our money which the Bible calls filthy lucre, was built by the blood of the native inhabitants, theft and deceit ( manifest destiny ..like Naboth's Vineyard ) ..supporting the French Revolution and spurring revolt, discontent and blood shed . I mean that is who we are . Are you a proud American ? Then you are cut off from the grace of God ..He only opposes you according to His word . We HATE the left. We bless God and curse man ...and if God had treated us as we treat others, what then ? God does hate covetousness ...Look up Psalms 10. Read Nahum and Habakkuk. We are a nation of merchants, turning souls into merchandise. That is us. Ask Jezebel and Ahab how that worked out for them ? I just find it difficult to believe that Christ died for us so that we could act just as ungodly as those on whom God exacted judgement and then get raptured up.

 

[NeedyFollower]

Hi NeedyFollower, if you break your posts into smaller paragraphs, it makes it easier to read.

Oh , thank you so much. That should have been obvious to me but was not. Thank you. I followed your advice on other post.

 

[revealer]

I cannot speak for Robert Breaker but for me the significance is on what Jesus says after that. The context makes a lot more sense when Jesus reveals that "Satan as lightning fall from heaven." was a parable. He rejoices and blesses those that have eyes to see this parable, for God had hidden this from the wise and prudent and revealed it to little children. He goes on to say,
"For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them." Luke 10:21-24.

Also interestingly the chapter is about Jesus sending out the 'sevens'. Food for thought most definitely.

I fear for my Christian brethren that lean with the leftist ideologies. It's become more of a feeling of holding onto that spiritual aspect in their lives, that goodness. Lovely people but the Christian faith is so easily distorted by the world that they're open season for wolves to take advantage of, causing some to leave the faith. The Bible is our sword and these liberal Christians have been handed a butter-knife. They're in danger of being in that great "falling away" depicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3. Matthew 7:13.

Too lukewarm and compromising the Christian faith. Revelation 3:14-22.

I do not openly say "these are the last days", but I remain aware of what is going on and not to fall into that trap of becoming complacent and ignorant of what the enemy is doing.

Just to name a few reasons on where I am on this: I saw patterns going back to 1948 (Israel becomes a nation), and many other instances leading up to this day were by design (globalism aka NWO). For the last 40+ years Marxism that was brought into western academia had brought degradation of the young minds from the traditional western values, and created a generation Z, a think-tank dependent on this beast system. Places of "higher learning" have become nothing more than indoctrination institutions with MSM propaganda being the mouthpiece of this establishment - and the results of the brainwash are clearly seen around the world when Trump won. You could say the Trump/Pence win was the rosetta stone for unlocking the book of Revelation and identifying the image of the beast.

2017 is also the Jewish Year 5777, also described as Rosh Hashanah which is sometimes translated as the "Feast of Trumpets". Coupled with the first day Donald Trump takes office as the 45th President of the United States, he will be 70 years, 7 months and 7 days old. His vice President Pence in conjunction to his name I can also not ignore.

My advice to you would be to live in peace with everyone and in humility to God and to cherish Jesus' words without falling for the world and it's unspiritual nature.

 

[revealer]

1946 is the year he was born. 1x9x4x6=216 and so does 6x6x6=216. We are to calculate the number of the beast! This is also the year that the 7th little horn of the 10 horns/toes/kings (time segments) arises. The 10 horns reign 1 hour or 2,160 years if one counts the 'Precessionary Circle as 25,920 years. The Bible says that 3 are to fall and this 7th will be shortened. 1/10 of 2,160 years = 216 years for each full horn/toe/king. 1946 A.D. + 216 years = 2,162 A.D.; therefore the end will come before then!

 

[VARZR]

Trump isn't the antichrist. His name has nothing to do with the trumpets of Revelation.

If you want to find the antichrist look to the middle east after a regional war between Turkey and Iran and after Erdogan dies. The leader from Turkey after Erdogan is likely the one.

If Trump does anything related to the latter days it is to somehow get the United States into a large enough war (probably involving China or Russia) elsewhere in the world that the islamic nations of the middle east feel embolded to attack Israel while we are too distracted to be able to defend Israel. This would be the Ezekiel Gog / Magog invasion that sets up the abomination of desolation.

 

[Another Lazarus]

The first rider of white horse is antichrist who will make peace by the power of the devil who himself actually make wars in the world thru his illuminati people.

The world will enjoy a short Peace never known be4 then the destruction of Peace will come by the 2nd horse rider.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

 

[LastSeven]

The abomination of desolation was set up while Obama was President...

What are you referring to?

 

[David Shibli]

Trump is the rider on the white horse (Rev 6:2). He is the first Trump/Pence (Rev 8:7), and the madness from the left and right is the result of Revelation 16:2.

The Red horse is coming soon. The fatal wound will soon be healed.

Seems like things are getting more tense around the world, and a sense of people being at a spiritual crossroads because of this man. Things are in motion, rumours of wars, families divided. Dangerous times! But I wouldn't want to be alive at any other time.

What are your thoughts on my interpretations that Trump is one of the four horseman of the apocalypse?

Yes, Trump is the rider on the White Horse.
You are very astute. Well done.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The first rider of white horse is antichrist who will make peace by the power of the devil who himself actually make wars in the world thru his illuminati people.

Ridiculous! God is not talking about particular man on earth.

Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

The white horse is the same one in Revelation 19. Jesus Christ. He received a crown when he established His kingdom on earth through the church. His peace is the Gospel. He went forth conquering and to conquer through the Church as He spoiled people from the kingdom of darkness until the fulness of the Gentiles be coming in.

Then after this, the red horse comes.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Notice that this horseman receive the power to take peace (gospel) away from earth so that no man can find salvation prior to Second Coming. Check this out with Revelation 9.

Revelation 9:3-6
[3] And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
[4] And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
[5] And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.
[6] And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them.

The red horse will remove gospel from the congregation where people who have not yet sealed (saved) by God will not be able o find salvation even if they have desire to be saved or seek for it because they are deceived by false gospels and doctrines that comes out of the mouth of false prophets. Their word is the power which signifies the sword.

 

[straykat]

Out of all of the Epic things God could do, I don't think Donald Trump is one of them. Would be pretty sad. Like bringing a Carney barker to MC at the wedding of your daughter.