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If "we" remain sinners, what was the point of Jesus' death and resurrection?1 Corinthians 13 and James 2:8-10 Man! Jesus came for sinners! We fail!
Physical weakness, not Spiritual weakness.I know that we fail! Paul boasted in his weakness!
God, nor Jesus, lie.He is Sinless! We are merely declared sinless in the here and now!
Those who don't want to serve Him won't be forced to.How can we spread a Gospel that only saves the Sinless!?!
Which sins are under which category..."Love" or "Mercy"?Jesus came to save.... SINNERS and teach Love and Mercy!
Repentance also turns from every other sin too.Bob is Saved! What confidence is there in the blood of Jesus Christ if salvation depends on human beings... beyond repentance that turns from pride and anchors in Jesus Christ!?!
I am for truth.
Good!
Without Jesus' advocacy no man could be in Christ and salvation would be a pipe dream.1 John 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
It is possible to not sin at all, but exactly what sins is Jesus being our Advocate if it is impossible for us to sin in the first place? Jesus is not an Advocate for those who are slaves of sin, the unsaved. And there is no repentance mentioned for these sins in verse one. Therefore, you need to know how God views sin, which you haven't even asked yourself, or searched God's word to find.
He advocated for us at the point of our turn from satan and unto God. From darkness to light.
1 John 2:2 is directed at those who have never used the Advocate...the "any man".
Those who have already used Jesus' advocacy are to make those who haven't aware of Christ and the power therein.
You must have misread it.1 John 3:9 shows us that there is a type of sin which we cannot commit. But you have to notice the context and John states which type of sin that is at the beginning - lawlessness (vs 4). Those are sins against the moral laws of God. In the Old Testament there were no sacrifices that covered sins of lawlessness. They killed them, or cast them out of the camp. Even unruly teenagers who didn't honor their parents.
If God's seed is in us we can't commit any kind of sin.
"Grape vines cannot bear figs"...Remember?
If God can empower us not to commit fifty kinds of sin, why is He powerless regarding fifty more kinds of sin?
You do disservice to yourself by categorizing different kinds of rebellion.
All sin warrants death.
BTW, don't you think those unruly teens, and other children, were given teachings to turn themselves around before they were brought to their deaths?
It was because of their failure to heed their instructors that they were found worthy of death,
It seems your doctrine has already shown it's failure regarding "kinds of sin".I haven't changed what I believe, and for the most part, I agree with you, but that is in our general doctrine, I just go deeper than you, and have a greater hunger for understanding God, His judgments and His ways. But if you never have the desire to delve deeper than you have, I won't be getting to heaven any sooner than you will just because my hunger is stronger. I'm not worried about you. You are reckoning yourself dead to sin, and so do I. That is enough. You just care about chiselling the big chunks, and I am down to the fine sandpaper.
If "we" remain sinners, what was the point of Jesus' death and resurrection?
It certainly wasn't just to save the sacrificial animals.
If there is no change in those who say they love God above all else, His death was wasted.
Physical weakness, not Spiritual weakness.
God, nor Jesus, lie.
If He says you are sinless, you can't be a sinner too.
Those who don't want to serve Him won't be forced to.
Few are chosen.
And God knows how to bring the faith to the faithful.
Which sins are under which category..."Love" or "Mercy"?
It is those who were once without love and mercy that He has enabled to love and be merciful.
Sinners have neither love or mercy.
I understand my "saving" was "from sin".
He has washed away my past sins and enabled me to resist all future temptation.
I thank God for my salvation.
Repentance also turns from every other sin too.
All the gifts of God must be received by..."HUMAN BEINGS".
They are a key aspect of salvation.
It is for us that Christ was first promised and then arrived.
It is for us that Christ died and was raised again.
It was for us that God made water baptism our way into Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. Enabling us to be reborn of His incorruptible seed.
Perfectly remade.
Your POV neglects the effect of rebirth.Sometimes children may fall but the Father picks them up, reproves and disciplines them. Some are weak. Not every child will/could resist the temptation at all times. However, all elect are sealed by the Holy Spirit and we are not to grieve the Holy Spirit in us by giving into temptation.
If you are seeing "sin" where "fall" is written, please remember that Psalms were written in and for OT men.Psalms 37:23-24 The steps of a man are established by the Lord, when he delights in His way; though he fall, he shall not be cast headlong, for the Lord upholds his hand.
I hope you are not thinking that if you are not being chastised that God doesn't love you.Hebrews 12:5-6 My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him; For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives.
Which was..."Are you more interested in counting coup or in removing stumbling blocks?"I thought I answered your questions. Apparently your communication did not get through to me as I may have misunderstood what you are trying to say. How does your post address my questions:
Biblical grace is the important grace. Paul beat himself up black and blue to get a desired result, but God told him His grace was sufficient. The examples of Grace you gave resulted in Lazarus being resurrected TEMPORARILY, the multitude fed TEMPORARILY, etc.
Isn't al grace 'biblical'?I don't see how you can differentiate between the 'two'?
Wasn't God's grace also 'sufficient' to raise Lazarus and feed the 5000?
Wasn't Paul's time on earth 'temporary'?
Scripture, please.God's grace, available through confession,...
...leads to sharing in Christ's work, being a blessing to the world.
True indeed.I hope you agree with me in that sinners are no "blessing to the world".
That couldn't be farther from the truth.The new man exists alongside the old.
The only thing that hasn't been made new already is our vessel, and it has no power to cause us to sin.When I am made perfect, in the Age to Come, there will be no risk of me falling away, for I will be perfect even as Christ is perfect.
Romans 6:3-6 tells us how to end that "conflict".But I live now in this body of death, with sin present in my very members. And so I am at war with myself, the new man which is of Christ and the old man which is of Adam, at conflict.
If one has yet to turn from sin, God has yet to accomplish His forgiveness or justification.Hardly, God accomplished all these things. Our sins are forgiven, we have peace with God, we have been justified fully by His grace through faith which He has given us.
I have turned form all sin, and I am not alone.You're the one, however, treating repentance as something it isn't. So if you believe that repentance means becoming impeccable, then nobody has repentance. But if repentance is a good work of God in our lives, by which we are being transformed by the renewing of our mind and being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ, then it is all which Scripture says it is.
What happens if I "repent"?Stop grieving the Spirit, repent and pray, for you are quite a sinner.
Nothing in those verses imply's that life is a cross.Really? I mean okay.
"and anyone who does not take up his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me." - Matthew 10:38
"Then Jesus called the crowd to Him along with His disciples, and He told them, 'If anyone wants to come after Me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow Me.'" - Mark 8:34
"And he said to all, 'If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross daily and follow me.'" - Luke 9:23
"that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death," - Philippians 3:10
"So Jesus also suffered outside the gate in order to sanctify the people through his own blood. Therefore let us go to him outside the camp and bear the reproach he endured. For here we have no lasting city, but we seek the city that is to come." - Hebrews 13:12-14
Is it love to allow a man to drown?@Phil W
Seeing as you believe you do cannot commit trespasses, how do you explain your failures to love at times? Are they not considered sin in God's eyes? Or would it mean you are not born again of the Spirit after all?
The Spirit helps us rightly divide the Word of Truth, because He IS Truth. You're not. And because you are self-serving, you interpret scripture to fit your ego, thus won't accept help from me, a woman. There is neither male nor female in Christ.
Some men/women are obedient, and need no chastisement.
Is it love to allow a man to drown?
Or to be bitten by a viper?
Or to be dwelling in a doctrine that will cause his second death?
I think not.
I agree with the first option.Which one do you agree with?
After rebirth, no one would need any rebuke and chastisement since they never disobey/give into temptation anyway in the first place because they have the effects of rebirth. Therefore they will never need to repent again of anything because they won’t disobey/sin after rebirth. So those that get rebuked and need chastisement are not reborn yet.
After rebirth, some would disobey (temptation could lead to disobedience) requiring rebuke and chastisement. And some are obedient needing no rebuke and chastisement.
Maybe so, but not all chastisement is because of sin.Note: The author in Hebrews 12 was writing to those who accepted the faith and are under the discipline of God. The author was asking them not to be discouraged when God rebukes and chastises, since He does so out of love as a Father.
Why do you consider "rescue" a failure to love?
Nothing in those verses imply's that life is a cross.
BTW, When a man does take up the cross...where does he go with it?
He takes it to the place where he will be killed.
For us NT believers, that is our baptism into Jesus Christ's death. (Rom 6:3-6)
The results are written in the next verse..."For he that is dead is freed from sin."
It is true.
And yet the baptized are not rendered impeccable. Perhaps when they were baptized it just wasn't good enough, maybe God's word failed them in that instance. Perhaps God just isn't very good at keeping His promises?
Or, perhaps, Baptism doesn't render us impeccable. Baptism most certainly grants us forgiveness of sin, and cleanses us, by uniting us to Christ's death and resurrection--indeed, clothing us with Christ Himself--and through which we have received the Holy Spirit. But it does not render us impeccable.
Nevertheless Baptism is Baptism, God's precious Sacramental work which is of water and Spirit, by which we are born again.
-CryptoLutheran
What happens if I "repent"?
1 Peter 3:21
Right, through Holy Baptism God saves us. As the Apostle St. Peter says, "this Baptism now saves you", not, he says, as merely some washing of dirt from our skin, but as "the pledge of a new conscience toward God through the resurrection of Jesus Christ", what we have in Baptism isn't simply a mere bath, but a transformation of who we are, a new birth, we are new creations in Jesus Christ.
-CryptoLutheran
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