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It is written..."For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous." (Rom 5:19)Whose righteousness?
A better example is that of Simon the Sorcerer. Philip taught what his own Master taught, that men should stop serving Mammon for treasure that perishes, and start serving God for treasure that lasts, but Simon Magus did not think how that teaching affected his desire to move his career forward. Trying to buy the gift of the Holy Spirit was indeed serving mammon, a self serving act.Following a sexy young woman in a short dress on a windy day can give an evil thought, hoping that the wind would blow it up to reveal is underneath, before we even realise it, and it can be so subtle that it does not have an effect on our conscious mind.
Though I don't know what exactly you are referring to, I agree with all your POV.Israel was rebuked by all the prophets for not bearing fruit. Was Joshua bearing fruit through the Law when he performed a sign, layed down his life and picked it up again, resulting in Rahab coming out of Egypt?
No-oooo! He bore fruit through loyalty, faithfulness to God.
That is the Kingdom, laying down your life and picking it up again, through switching loyalty from mammon to God, being born again:
Matthew 21
33“Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard, put a wall around it, dug a wine press in it, and built a watchtower. Then he leased it to tenant farmers and went abroad. 34When harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenant farmers to collect his produce. 35But the farmers took his servants and beat one, killed another, and attacked another with stones. 36Again, he sent other servants to them, a greater number than the first, but the tenant farmersy treated them the same way. 37Finally, he sent his son to them, thinking, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38But when the tenant farmers saw his son, they told one another, ‘This is the heir. Come on, let’s kill him and get his inheritance!’ 39So they grabbed him, threw him out of the vineyard, and killed him. 40Now when the owner of the vineyard returns, what will he do to those farmers?”
41They told him, “He will put those horrible men to a horrible death. Then he will lease the vineyard to other farmers who will give him his produce at harvest time.”
42Jesus asked them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures,
‘The stone that the builders rejected
has become the cornerstone.z
This was the Lord’saa doing,
and it is amazing in our eyes.’?bb
43That is why I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce fruit for it. 44The person who falls over this stone will be broken to pieces, but it will crush anyone on whom it falls.”cc
The cornerstone is "picking up your cross", laying down your life only to pick it up again, which Joshua did, and bore fruit, which Israel did not do, and was barren.
But you already knew that.
Iacocca said a good lecture is one where the speaker tells the audience what he is going to talk about, then talks about it, and then tells them what he talked about. Jesus always taught the same lesson in many different ways.Though I don't know what exactly you are referring to, I agree with all your POV.
I agree, but he is narrating from a former life style...under law.
He is telling us how it used to be for him.
In Romans 6, Paul has already shown us how to do away with the flesh, and Romans 8 goes on to discribe a walk in the Spirit.
Romans 7 is a a transition point in a believers walk in Christ.
From the flesh-Mosaic law-failure, to the Spiritual-law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus-victory. (Rom 8:2)
As you didn't make it clear as to what you are replying to, I can only reply with..."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." (Rom 8:2)
We are now free from the law of sin and death...thanks be to God!
You misread Romans 8:2, which says the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has freed us.
Again, I have no idea what you are referring to.
Yes I did, including this..."Yet because a believer still has a fallen nature; they do still sin. No believer is without sin."You didn't actually read what I wrote did you?
More precisely, they are present-historical, or, present-narrative tense.Except verses 14-25 of Romans 7 are present tense.
1 John 1:
John is addressing two very different kinds of men and two very different kinds of walk.8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
I think you've got it !You had me at free from the Law of Sin and Death! Praise Jesus!!!!
Paul speaks as if he’s held under the Law, in the present, to teach.
Your "sense" is on target.But, I have to be sincere, I sense something is off, in much of Christianity's understanding.
It boils down to either it’s Jesus or its not. This is where duplicity can be found.
Paul said the law counted for nothing, because the Gentiles, those not under law, were having the same benefits as the Jews who had the law. He then proves it by saying that Abraham didn't have the law, yet he could be justified, considered a member of God's family, just by believing. Believing has no moral content, it's just an act that put him on God's side. In fact an immoral act like trying to sacrifice his son also put him on God's side, and that act was supposed to have perfected his faith!
Break any commandment, it doesn't matter, just be on God's side. You don't think you know better than God, do you? He's like a super chess player, He knows a zillion moves ahead of the game. Just trust Him...
Your "sense" is on target.
False Christians are destroying the reputation of Jesus, the church, and God.
How often have you heard..."Well some Christians are worse than unbelievers"?
We gotta "represent" God on earth now!
95% of men would have unconscious thoughts like that, and the other 5% are liars.James writes..."But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." (James 1:14-15)
From this, we can determine that it takes temptation, lust, enticement, and conception to "bring forth sin".
As it is also written..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts." (Gal 5:24)...without the lusts anymore, it is impossible to satisfy the "formula".
The difference between a man walking in the flesh and a man walking in the Spirit is that the man walking in God won't "hope the wind would accommodate sin".
95% of men would have unconscious thoughts like that, and the other 5% are liars.
So, just to be clear, praying for a gust of wind, at that point, is bad?
With my luck, I would pray for the wind and an unexpected sound would be generated from in front me, to remind me, it’s all just “temporary passings” of a dying kingdom of dust.
I would be reminded that selfish prayers deserve answers that “stink”.
It all depends on what you want the gust of wind to do!
What do you believe about Christians committing willful sins of lawlessness? Here is a Statement from Martin Luther: "(For those in Christ) even if we were to commit murder and adultery 1000 times a day it would not separate us from God."
Do you believe as Martin Luther whose statement evolved into the OSAS doctrine, or not? Can someone be assured of salvation if they willfully sin like stated with no repentance? Are they still the "elect"?
First off, to make it clear that to a certain extent we all "sin willfully". When the Scripture talk about adulterers, idolators, fornicators, drunks etc. won't inherit the kingdom of God; it's speaking of people who live that lifestyle with no serious conviction or desire to overcome their sin. If one's spouse dies and they find themselves a little to frequently in the wine bottle, doesn't mean they've "lost their salvation". Yet if they never overcome that sin; that is evidence that they were never saved to begin with.
Now someone who once believed they were redeemed and comes to the conclusion that they aren't because there is no evidence of obedience in their life; does not mean they have lost the possibility of being redeemed. It may just not have happened yet.
Those who are elect were elect from the foundations of the world. They will repent and believe unto salvation at some point in life. God in His omnipotence will not loose them.
Someone who is truly regenerated though, has the Holy Spirit indwelling them.
The indwelling Spirit is the agent that actually causes faith, repentance, trust, "sanctification" etc. All who are elect are indwelt by the Holy Ghost. All who are true believers are elect. The Holy Spirit is the agent that compels one to obedience. A believer may still "willfully sin", but will be ever increasingly convicted of that until they repent.
Again though, if they never repent, that is evidence that they were never saved to begin with. You can not loose your salvation.
Now the scary thing is there are a lot of people who think they are saved but they aren't. Question then becomes, how do you know if you're saved.
Simple answer: Do you obey God.
More complicated answer: Understanding what it means to obey God. And understanding that does not mean adhering to a legalistic code of conduct.
A PARABLE
Some were told by the one who knows all things;
Hearing you shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing you shall see, and not perceive: this was because those hearing made themselves a hardened heart that said "Lo this word is not for me who can hear it? I am rich and increased with goods and have need of nothing".
Travelling along the way those who would not hear fell into the ditch they call delusion that all fall into that kick against the pricks and lose their mirror that shows the way when the path is narrow.
Their lamp was a guide to them but they did not have enough oil. Their lamp then went out and now they sit in darkness falling into the dtich they cannot find their way out.
Some travellers in the way walked by and saw some of these sitting in darkeness who lost their way and offered them some oil for their lamps but they being proud would not accept the gift and did not want to receive any help choosing instead to make their home in the ditch which the Lord of the way gave them over to because they loved darkness rather then the light because their deeds were evil.
Tick tock goes the watch the time for grace is running out. Who will hear the call to go out and meet the brifegroom? Only those that have their lamps trimmed and full of oil and who have not lost their mirror.
God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God)
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MATTHEW 13:35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
MATTHEW 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
MATTHEW 13:53 And it came to pass, that when Jesus had finished these parables, he departed there.
As I just stated in another response, Romans 7 is not about us as Christians. We are not under the law - the person in Romans 7 is. Paul wants to make it clear that it wasn't the law which held the problem, it is holy, but our sin nature. That is what Christ accomplished. He killed sin in the flesh. Read it in context (Romans 7:7 to Romans 8:9)
Same problem. Verse 8 is not a Christian. They must first do verse 9 to become cleansed of ALL SIN. That is when we are given the Holy Spirit to walk in verse 7.
On what justification do you claim Romans 7 and 1 John 1 doesn't apply to Christians? Where in the context of the text do you make that claim?
-CryptoLutheran
From the vantage point of the Law, however, I must confess that I am indeed a sinner, for I sin daily. The good I wish to do I do not do, and the evil I do not want to do I do. So that I find sin's rule even in my members, and so I am at war with myself; between what I know is right and what I do which is evil. Romans 7:18-23
On what justification do you claim Romans 7 and 1 John 1 doesn't apply to Christians? Where in the context of the text do you make that claim?
-CryptoLutheran
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