Does white privilege exist in the US?

[SilverBear]

So the conclusion must be that the gummint is randonly arresting and imprisoning Black makes, yes? Hmmmm...
So is the solution to arrest more whites or fewer Blacks?

the conclusion is you purposefully are ignoring what was said to further your own position.

 

[Ana the Ist]

to quote you:

That's about as dishonest as it gets...I was talking about the "problem" of "white privilege" which is just an excuse for racism.

I agree problems exist....in this case, the problem appears to be your Inability to distinguish opinions from facts.

Do you have any proof white privilege exists or not?

 

[disciple Clint]

try demonstrating your position is true rather than just denying reality

You made the affirmative statement "as noted the statistics show blacks don't commit more crimes they are just arrested and prosecuted at a higher rate." seems that the burden for evidence is upon you.

 

[disciple Clint]

Evidence?

It is all around you, are you not aware of successful minorities? You do remember that we had a black president of this nation dont you?

 

[disciple Clint]

only 4 % of those born into poverty will ever make it out and become that "financial success" Ref 'Moving on Up' Pew Charitable Trust study of Poverty 2013

I believe that the question is WHY. The opportunity is there, others have been successful, why is the percentage so low, could it have much to do with victim mentality rather than actual potential of the individual? When people are willing to stop saying I cannot because of what others have done to me and actually use the abilities they have, they will find that they have been to ones keeping themselves down. They will find that they can in fact experience success. There are many examples that prove that this is true.

 

[disciple Clint]

Sure, it happens. But overall our country does not have good upward mobility the way it used to.

Long-term decline in intergenerational mobility in the United States since the 1850s

Clearly people born into the middle class have more advantages than people born into poverty. That’s indisputable. People who “overcome the odds” don’t change that fact.

Seriously look at the time period of that report and consider the changes in our nation in that same time period.

 

[Sparagmos]

Seriously look at the time period of that report and consider the changes in our nation in that same time period.

The point is that the report contradicts what you said. We don’t currently have good social mobility in our country.

 

[disciple Clint]

The point is that the report contradicts what you said. We don’t currently have good social mobility in our country.

Well there is just one more reason not to make an attempt to succeed, victimized by limited social mobility, yes that sounds good.

 

[Nine of Spades]

Yes, there can be affirmative action. But this is considered to be needed . . . because of how white privilege does exist.

Would you ever be willing to forgo your job to a less qualified minority? You affirmative action supporters never seem to want to give up your jobs or college admissions to people of color who aren't as qualified as yourselves.

 

[KCfromNC]

But are those perceptions based in reality or is it simply a false (or perhaps true) assumption?

The perception that it is the fault of the person on the receiving end of the documented discrimination I linked to does seem to be a false assumption. Or at least one totally unsupported by data and reason, so far as has been presented so far.

There also seems to be a false perception that a single anecdote counters data about larger patterns in society, exemplified by your choice to quote a single person rather than data contradicting the study I linked to and others like it.

 

[KCfromNC]

How do you blame broken families on anybody but the family members themselves?

Many in the GOP has recently objected to crime bills which tend to break up poor and minority families at a disproportionate rate. I'm not sure if they were serious or just flinging poop at anyone who dared to challenge their leader. But still, there's something to be considered there.

 

[KCfromNC]

I’ve eaten sushi, I, however, do not know the experience of being a Japanese person.

Wait, your grandparents don't get locked up for a month in an internment camp for each California roll you eat?

Maybe I should find better restaurants...

 

[KCfromNC]

That’s a great point and exactly why so many people have these misconceptions on what it’s actually like to be a white guy. I can’t count all the doors of opportunity that have been slammed in my face.

Another example of a post missing the point of what white privilege is.

 

[SilverBear]

That's about as dishonest as it gets...I was talking about the "problem" of "white privilege" which is just an excuse for racism.

I agree problems exist....in this case, the problem appears to be your Inability to distinguish opinions from facts.

Do you have any proof white privilege exists or not?

is there any that you wouldn't simply reject out of hand?

 

[SilverBear]

You made the affirmative statement "as noted the statistics show blacks don't commit more crimes they are just arrested and prosecuted at a higher rate." seems that the burden for evidence is upon you.

and that is what the statistics were - evidence

 

[Vylo]

considering I've heard "at least this one is the right color" regarding people interviewing for jobs, yes, yes it does.

 

[SilverBear]

I believe that the question is WHY. The opportunity is there, others have been successful, why is the percentage so low, could it have much to do with victim mentality rather than actual potential of the individual? When people are willing to stop saying I cannot because of what others have done to me and actually use the abilities they have, they will find that they have been to ones keeping themselves down. They will find that they can in fact experience success. There are many examples that prove that this is true.

rising out of poverty is exceptional uncommon for anyone regardless or race.

So what evidence do you have of this victim mentality actually keeping people in poverty? Only 4 of whites are able to escape poverty...do they have the victim mentality you are going on about?

 

[SilverBear]

Would you ever be willing to forgo your job to a less qualified minority? You affirmative action supporters never seem to want to give up your jobs or college admissions to people of color who aren't as qualified as yourselves.

less qualified by who's standard?

 

[rturner76]

You're describing the way you think things are....

Which part is the problem?

I guess the "problem" is that in a system like that, it can be more difficult for people of color to be considered for those upper management positions. Not necessarily because of a desire to slap people down but because like I say, the comfort with and relatability of people who share the same background. It's not really a problem the government can fix beyond just enforcing existing civil rights laws which are often difficult to prosecute.

It's not fair is the "problem" but I do understand that life is anything but fair.

 

[98cwitr]

The perception that it is the fault of the person on the receiving end of the documented discrimination I linked to does seem to be a false assumption. Or at least one totally unsupported by data and reason, so far as has been presented so far.

Documented is one thing, assumed and presumed is quite another. If it's documented, show us the documentation. The data and statistics is as it is only because we are classifying people by race, but as discussed it does not do the argument or premise any justice by doing so. If we had ways of classifying culture, that'd be more telling, but we don't. What we can say is that crime, single mother homes, and education levels ALL play a detrimental part in overcoming poverty, and ALL of those things are based on personal and individual choices, and have literally nothing to do with the color of someone's skin.

Three ways to ensure you don't live poor forever:

1. Don't have babies out of wedlock
2. Graduate high school
3. Don't commit felonies

Not to suggest a person following the above wouldn't be poor during acute points in life, but following the above means a person can bounce back more quickly. To achieve these things, parents must model the above to their children. That said, there are certain cultures who reject all 3, and those cultures transcend racial groups.

There also seems to be a false perception that a single anecdote counters data about larger patterns in society, exemplified by your choice to quote a single person rather than data contradicting the study I linked to and others like it.

Correlation does not equal causation.