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Does the Sabbath still exist?

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Would it be wrong to asume that you are talking about the sabbath mentioned in the ten commandments of Ex 20? If it is then who does this apply to? If you say it applies to the Israelites (Jews) I might agree that it exists. If you are saying to the non believing world in Jesus I would also say yes. If you are saying it is in existance for the born again Chirstian believer I would have to say no, not as a specific week day.

So you don't know. We get it!
Seems that you don't wish to admit my assumption. I did not say specificly only because you were vague.

This is the second post in back to back succession that you responded with a personal attack and don't deal with the subject. This is a sign that you have no answer. Since you imply that I am ignorant, a reasonable response should be extremely easy.

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First, before we are to go any further, you must address the issues that I posted in post #23. I am sure our audience would like to hear you answer at least one question.

I posted “How could Paul not want them to return to the Sabbath when they were coming to assembly on the Sabbath? They had been it since their conversion.
I addressed that already. They were in home churches who met on several days,just like today,people go to church on sunday or saturday out of tradition and convienience.. So again,you forced to deal with this,and why would Paul say it, Did he not know what you said,about getting together? Do you think the home churches also met on other days?

Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Why are you arguing from abstract,when there is an imperative affirmative,that Paul did not want them to observe Sabbath?
A later example of Sabbath keeping. 1 Cor 5:8 Here the church is keeping the Days of Unleaven Bread. Two High days are included here and these are annual Sabbaths. 1st Corinthians was written during this time in 55 AD. Six years later than his letter to the Galatians.
That is an easy one. It has to be firgurative,because to observe it,they would have had to be circumcised to observe feasts.

Exodus 12:43-48 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: no foreigner shall eat of it, 44 but every slave that is bought for money may eat of it after you have circumcised him. 45 No foreigner or hired servant may eat of it. 46 It shall be eaten in one house; you shall not take any of the flesh outside the house, and you shall not break any of its bones. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 If a stranger shall sojourn with you and would keep the Passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised. Then he may come near and keep it; he shall be as a native of the land. But no uncircumcised person shall eat of it.

It was the law.YOU SHALL!


Exodus 34:18 “You shall keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month Abib, for in the month Abib you came out from Egypt.

Sooooo,that shows that it was figurative,unless you think Paul went around telling them to become jewish,which would go against the Gospel..Galatians!:thumbsup:
Day of Pentecost, a high Sabbath also, is found being observed in 57 AD Act 21; 8 years later, almost a decade after the letter to the Galatians.
Just for the record. Time tables are totally debated by the best of scholars,but no big deal.I don't see what your saying about Acts 21:8.:confused:


8 On the next day we who were Paul’s companions departed and came to Caesarea, and entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him.
So we have already established that the new testament church had been keeping the Sabbath from its initiation in Act 2, which is 31 AD to 57 AD. Twenty six years.
All your showing is the early church was messianic,and even today hold the Sabbath.But Paul clealry did not want it for the Galatian churches.Why was he so emphatic? By the way,it was the messianics that caused the division,by holding on to the law of moses.The trouble did not come from the gentiles.Who does history record as the troublemeakers for Paul,the one Jesus called to preach the Gospel?
If you would, kindly address the aforementioned issues before proceeding with any other post.

Secondly, I have stated, whether to your agreement or not, the answer to Gal 4; however, this it appears is not the issue, as you have attempted to direct the attention toward the subject of “law” on several occasions. I would that we have kept the Sabbath at the foremost of our discussion, yet from your view, which you have stated, it appears a hindrance to the subject as a whole. I have taken into account your post from current and other threads and believe that you would have me think in the following manner:

I no longer have to keep the Sabbath for all the law has been abolished, nailed to the cross and no longer binding on any of us, and if I consider thus, then what of the other nine? I can say, they have been done away as well, therefore, should I be judged? By what? Scripture says, “For where there no law there is no transgression.” Now, if I should think thus, that there is no transgression, then what have I? Lawlessness, yes, I shall not be judged for any of my doings. If sin is the transgression of the law and all the law was nailed to the cross then it is sin that was abolished?

Now, I also, must consider those who have gone before. They will not be judged for there is no sin. How say we, now, that one is condemned to hell and the other to the heavenly Jerusalem? In my new reasoning, I, must count all will attain to the glory of the Kingdom of God. I now have a new glimpse into the Kingdom of Heaven, thanks to my new reasoning. Adulterers, fornicators, lawlessness, uncleanness, idolaters, sorcery, contentions, jealousies, selfishness, envying, murderers, drunkards, and such will have part in the Kingdom of God.

Yes, I think so, that I am free now, to commit murder, to commit adultery, to lie and steal and to blaspheme God. To whom should I give thanks? To whom should I consider? Thanks to this reasoning, no one, for what could befall me?

Mr. Frogster, should I consider such logic? I cannot. Many like to argue that the Ten Commandments have been abolished, but from which is stated above, one can clearly see this cannot be so. James wrote in 79 AD, Js 2.8 of the “royal law” and stated, “If you fulfill the royal law according to the scriptures…you do well”…v11 “For he that said, Do not commit adultery,…So speak you and so do, as that that shall be judged by the law of liberty.” You see there is a “law of God”, “law of Moses”, and they do differ. God did not suffer Moses to write the Ten Commandments, which have been, before shown to be a spiritual law. Galatians was speaking about the physical part of law as the Galatians were looking to the “works of law” to bring them closer to God. Paul spoke of circumcision and washings, these are sacrifices and works of law which Paul said were abolished. Christ was our sacrifice!

I hope you look into this.

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Those last few paragraphs were well...nevermind.:)

Fact is Paul did not want the galatians under the mosaic law.

Yes or no?

Also,you never finished our conversation about how the text,clearly indicates that paul did not want them under bondage,referred to as the law,4 times in Galatians.

Y,here is an interesting verse.Tell me what you think of it? Whether he was talking about himself,or speaking for Peter,who by the way,rebuked him for reverting back to food laws.

What does this mean? CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE LAW.

Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.
 
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Yes or no?

Also,you never finished our conversation about how the text,clearly indicates that paul did not want them under bondage,referred to as the law,4 times in Galatians.

Y,here is an interesting verse.Tell me what you think of it? Whether he was talking about himself,or speaking for Peter,who by the way,rebuked him for reverting back to food laws.

What does this mean? CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE LAW.

Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.[/quote


Clearly, you have to understand which law he is speaking of when he is speaking of it. This is your dilemma. You don't believe that there were separate laws.

Just like there are separate laws today. Federal, state and local.

Look at Paul's sermon in Acts 13.39 'And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

Look at Rom 7:25; "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God..." Paul again

What was Paul speaking of when he spoke of those things which were abolished. Heb 9:9-10 "Which was symbolic for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks, and different washings and fleshly ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." --works of law!

Were these laws still imposed on them while Christ was here. Luke 5:14 Jesus said, "And he charged him to tell no one, but go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them." works of law again...

Circumcision and washings nothing more than works of law. This set of laws is what was nailed to the cross through the offering of the blood of Christ. This if they do would have put them back under the bondage of the law. They become a debtor to the whole law of sacrifices. At which point they become estranged from Christ. Gal 5.3-4

Move on, we are done on law. If you will not go study it there is no sense in talking about it.

Y,here is an interesting verse.Tell me what you think of it? Whether he was talking about himself,or speaking for Peter,who by the way,rebuked him for reverting back to food laws. Read it again and see what you come up with! Peter did not revert back to food laws!
 
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[FONT=&quot]The first day of the week was mentioned several times in the New Testament, but no where under the idea of a Sabbath, but in plain distinction from it. It is often pled that the Apostles met on the first day of the week, and therefore they think the Sabbath was changed; and no doubt that some people have heard this said so many times, that they think the New Testament is quite full of it, and that it was the constant practice of the Apostles to meet for worship on that day. But the fact is, we have no account of but two meeting on the first day of the week, and each of them was on a special occasion.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The first was on the evening following the extraordinary event of Christ’s rising from the dead, and the other was when Paul was about to depart on the morrow. These two are all the meetings that we have any account of on the first day of the week in the New Testament, and but one of them in the day time. We will now look for a few meetings on the seventh day of the week, which was called the Sabbath, and see how the disciples followed the directions and example of Christ. Immediately after Barnabas and Paul was separated to the work of traveling preachers, we have the following account of them, Acts 13-14. “They came to Antioch and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down, and after the reading of the Law and the Prophets,” Paul having liberty from the rulers of the synagogue preached Christ unto those who were present at that meeting, who were both Jews and Gentiles. So you see the Gentiles kept the Sabbath as well as the Jews, and they all met together to hear the law and the prophets, as though they were equally concerned in that matter, which no doubt they were, although many think the Gentiles had nothing to do with the Jews religion. But remember, at the close of that meeting, verse 42d the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now you see this Sabbath was the seventh day of the week, because it was the day that the unbelieving Jews met to read the law, and the Gentiles desired t hear the same words the next Sabbath. What, the Gentiles keep the Sabbath! Yes, the Gentiles desired to hear these words the next Sabbath! But did not the Gentiles say, “let us hear these words again to-morrow, on our new Sabbath.” Or why did not Paul and Barnabas say, “it is our practice to meet on the first day of the week, which is to-morrow,” come ye therefore, and hear us on our new Sabbath. But nothing of this kind is heard from any of them, and it really seems as though they had never heard of such a thing, and I really believe they never had, for we hear nothing more about meetings or reaching till the next Sabbath, and then, away came the Jews and Gentiles all together to meeting again, as we see verse 44. “And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God,” and then Paul preached again. But the Jews raised a persecution against them, and they fled to Iconium. And the next thing we hear about them is, Acts 14-1. “And they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake that a great number, both of the Jews and also of the Greeks, believed.” Here we find Jews and Gentiles all met together again, and no doubt it was on the seventh day or the Jews would not have been there, and a glorious meeting it was, for a great multitude believed. O what a blessing and privilege was the Sabbath day, even under the gospel dispensation ! But again, Paul and Barnabas in their travels came to Philippi, one of the chief cities of Macedonia, Acts 16, 12-13. “And we were in that city abiding certain days, and on the Sabbath day, we went out of the city by a river-side, where prayer was wont to be made.” There it appears they had another happy meeting. Thus we see, how particular they were to have a meeting, when the Sabbath day came, for there they abode a number of days, and nothing is said about meeting till the Sabbath day come and then they were immediately off to meeting. But still, perhaps, some may think this Sabbath was the first day of the week ; should any be in doubt on this ground, we will just turn over to the next chapter and wee what is said there, Acts 17, 1-2. “They came to Thessalonia where was a synagogue of the Jews, and Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Now by this we see what day of the week was called the Sabbath. It appears it was the same day of the week that the unbelieving Jews kept, and we are all sensible that that was the seventh. But perhaps one will say, how do you know these were unbelieving Jews ? Answer, because in the 4th and 5th verses we are told that by Paul’s preaching, at that some, some of them become believers, and the rest were moved with envy ; &c. and at that time, we must take notice, that not only some of the Jews believed, but of the Greeks a great multitude. Here we see again, Jews and Gentiles all keeping the Sabbath together, differing as much as they would in other things, yet they seem to be all agreed in keeping the seventh day Sabbath, although it was so many years after the time, that people say the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week; but nothing of this kind appears as yet. Had these meetings been on the first day of the week, no doubt it would have been called the first day of the week, as you see it was in Acts, 20-7. “And upon the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow.” So you see the first day of the week is called the first day of the week, but the seventh day is called the Sabbath, and this one is the only time that we have any account of, in the New Testament, that the disciples met together on the first day of the week, except that evening after Christ rose from the dead. But remember Acts 17-2. “Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and, three Sabbath days, reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Here we are told plainly, what Paul’s manner or custom was, and it looks to me, just like following the directions and example of our Saviour before mentioned ; for as Christ’s custom was, so Paul’s manner was. But, lest you should still doubt whether Paul really meant to keep the seventh day, I will mention one scripture more. Acts, 18, 2-3. After Paul had preached at Athens, and come to Corinth, he found there, a man and his wife, who were tent makers, and because he was of the same craft, he above with them and wrought ; and we see by the 11th verse that he continued there a year and six months. Here we find Paul laboring with his hands, not only administering to his necessities, but likewise setting an example for believers and preachers. But take particular notice, that, during this eighteen months labor, verse 4, we are told that he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath day. Here then, it appears plainly, that Paul kept the seventh day for a Sabbath, for he continued there at labor, making tents, for the space of seventy-eight weeks together, and during the whole time he went to meeting every seventh day, and nothing is said about having any meetings, on the first day, during all this time. Now you that suppose that the circumstance of the Apostles’ meeting together twice on the first day of the week, on particular occasions, is a precedent, sufficient to establish the practice of keeping that day, I want you to remember, in future, that we have a particular account of 84 meetings at least, that the Apostles had on the seventh day of the week, so that if we may take the example of the Apostles for a rule, you must remember, that we have a majority of forty-two to one at least, in favor of the seventh day. And now, who is he, that can think that the Apostles kept the first day. But one, perhaps will say, it was not because they meant to keep the seventh day in preference to any other, that they so often met on that day, but because the Jews made a practice of meeting on that day, the Apostles availed themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel among them.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] As to the first part of this preposition, it is utterly impossible for you to make it out, that they had no preference to the seventh day Sabbath; but, as to their availing themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel, they surely did, and a most excellent opportunity it was. By this we may easily see, if we have so much as half an eye left, of what great importance and utility the Sabbath was, even under the gospel dispensation ; and it is no wonder that the Apostles so strictly observed it. Now it really appears to me to be an opportunity of too much importance to be done away ; and it looks to be not consistent with the mercy and wisdom of God, that so good an opportunity should be done away, for no doubt, the opportunity be as much blessed now, as it was then, were the people as well agreed in it now, as Jews and Gentiles were in the Apostolic age. It was an opportunity and an ordinance that was owned and blessed of God, in the conversation of thousands. He blessed and sanctified it, at the creation of the world. He promulgated it under the Mosaic dispensation, and he owned and blessed it under the Gospel dispensation. Christ kept it Holy during his life on earth, and charged his disciples to remember it, that is, he told them to pray that their flight be not on it, which flight was forty years after his death, which they could not do without remembering it.[/FONT]

The Apostles remembers his word and example and strictly observed the Sabbath, and Paul, in particular, followed the blessed example, and finally left on record, for our instruction, these memorable expressions, 1 Cor. 11.-1 “Be ye therefore followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” – And again, Philippians 3.-17. “Bretheren, be followers together of me, and mark them, which walk so as ye have us for an example.” We see by the above mentioned Scriptures, how Paul followed Christ, and what his example was. Let us, therefore, now embrace the Apostles exhortation, and follow him as he followed Christ, and like him, remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
 
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No such thing as a Christian Sabbath. The Sabbath commands were ONLY for Israel.

Exodus 31:13-17 (NKJV)
13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' "

There are NO SABBATH COMMANDS IN THE NEW COVENANT!

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
 
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Yes or no?

Also,you never finished our conversation about how the text,clearly indicates that paul did not want them under bondage,referred to as the law,4 times in Galatians.

Y,here is an interesting verse.Tell me what you think of it? Whether he was talking about himself,or speaking for Peter,who by the way,rebuked him for reverting back to food laws.

What does this mean? CLEARLY TALKING ABOUT THE LAW.

Gal 2:18 For if I rebuild what I tore down, I prove myself to be a transgressor.[/quote


Clearly, you have to understand which law he is speaking of when he is speaking of it. This is your dilemma. You don't believe that there were separate laws.

Just like there are separate laws today. Federal, state and local.

Look at Paul's sermon in Acts 13.39 'And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses."

Look at Rom 7:25; "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God..." Paul again

What was Paul speaking of when he spoke of those things which were abolished. Heb 9:9-10 "Which was symbolic for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks, and different washings and fleshly ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation." --works of law!

Were these laws still imposed on them while Christ was here. Luke 5:14 Jesus said, "And he charged him to tell no one, but go and show yourself to the priest, and make an offering for your cleansing, as Moses commanded, for a proof to them." works of law again...

Circumcision and washings nothing more than works of law. This set of laws is what was nailed to the cross through the offering of the blood of Christ. This if they do would have put them back under the bondage of the law. They become a debtor to the whole law of sacrifices. At which point they become estranged from Christ. Gal 5.3-4

Move on, we are done on law. If you will not go study it there is no sense in talking about it.

Y,here is an interesting verse.Tell me what you think of it? Whether he was talking about himself,or speaking for Peter,who by the way,rebuked him for reverting back to food laws. Read it again and see what you come up with! Peter did not revert back to food laws!

No way..the judaizers were trying to have them circumcised,and live under mosaic law..

Look here...

3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

I have already shown that it was the whole judaisistc systemand all the laws..

here AGAIN..

21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?

Taaaalkiiiin bout moses!

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”



That is from Moses..here..

Deut 27:26 “‘Cursed be anyone who does not confirm the words of this law by doing them.’ And all the people shall say, ‘Amen.’


More proof of the context..taaaaalkiiiiin bout the law..


Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void

Bottom line bro..it is time for YOU to start posting scripture,and end your arguing from absence,that can only go so far on a thread you know.:)
 
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I would go back and read the post from the beginning Duckbill

Gentiles were the dogs,uncircumcised,gentile sinner,the foreskin,the foolish..

They were not jewish,and did not partake of judism. Some..God fearers at best,acknowledged the God of israel,but did not get circumcised and keep the laws.The sabbath was the law..

hence..the wall that kept them out of the temple,that if crossed,the gentile was killed.

My..what a loving enviroment.:D
 
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[FONT=&quot]The first day of the week was mentioned several times in the New Testament, but no where under the idea of a Sabbath, but in plain distinction from it. It is often pled that the Apostles met on the first day of the week, and therefore they think the Sabbath was changed; and no doubt that some people have heard this said so many times, that they think the New Testament is quite full of it, and that it was the constant practice of the Apostles to meet for worship on that day. But the fact is, we have no account of but two meeting on the first day of the week, and each of them was on a special occasion.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The first was on the evening following the extraordinary event of Christ’s rising from the dead, and the other was when Paul was about to depart on the morrow. These two are all the meetings that we have any account of on the first day of the week in the New Testament, and but one of them in the day time. We will now look for a few meetings on the seventh day of the week, which was called the Sabbath, and see how the disciples followed the directions and example of Christ. Immediately after Barnabas and Paul was separated to the work of traveling preachers, we have the following account of them, Acts 13-14. “They came to Antioch and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down, and after the reading of the Law and the Prophets,” Paul having liberty from the rulers of the synagogue preached Christ unto those who were present at that meeting, who were both Jews and Gentiles. So you see the Gentiles kept the Sabbath as well as the Jews, and they all met together to hear the law and the prophets, as though they were equally concerned in that matter, which no doubt they were, although many think the Gentiles had nothing to do with the Jews religion. But remember, at the close of that meeting, verse 42d the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now you see this Sabbath was the seventh day of the week, because it was the day that the unbelieving Jews met to read the law, and the Gentiles desired t hear the same words the next Sabbath. What, the Gentiles keep the Sabbath! Yes, the Gentiles desired to hear these words the next Sabbath! But did not the Gentiles say, “let us hear these words again to-morrow, on our new Sabbath.” Or why did not Paul and Barnabas say, “it is our practice to meet on the first day of the week, which is to-morrow,” come ye therefore, and hear us on our new Sabbath. But nothing of this kind is heard from any of them, and it really seems as though they had never heard of such a thing, and I really believe they never had, for we hear nothing more about meetings or reaching till the next Sabbath, and then, away came the Jews and Gentiles all together to meeting again, as we see verse 44. “And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God,” and then Paul preached again. But the Jews raised a persecution against them, and they fled to Iconium. And the next thing we hear about them is, Acts 14-1. “And they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake that a great number, both of the Jews and also of the Greeks, believed.” Here we find Jews and Gentiles all met together again, and no doubt it was on the seventh day or the Jews would not have been there, and a glorious meeting it was, for a great multitude believed. O what a blessing and privilege was the Sabbath day, even under the gospel dispensation ! But again, Paul and Barnabas in their travels came to Philippi, one of the chief cities of Macedonia, Acts 16, 12-13. “And we were in that city abiding certain days, and on the Sabbath day, we went out of the city by a river-side, where prayer was wont to be made.” There it appears they had another happy meeting. Thus we see, how particular they were to have a meeting, when the Sabbath day came, for there they abode a number of days, and nothing is said about meeting till the Sabbath day come and then they were immediately off to meeting. But still, perhaps, some may think this Sabbath was the first day of the week ; should any be in doubt on this ground, we will just turn over to the next chapter and wee what is said there, Acts 17, 1-2. “They came to Thessalonia where was a synagogue of the Jews, and Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Now by this we see what day of the week was called the Sabbath. It appears it was the same day of the week that the unbelieving Jews kept, and we are all sensible that that was the seventh. But perhaps one will say, how do you know these were unbelieving Jews ? Answer, because in the 4th and 5th verses we are told that by Paul’s preaching, at that some, some of them become believers, and the rest were moved with envy ; &c. and at that time, we must take notice, that not only some of the Jews believed, but of the Greeks a great multitude. Here we see again, Jews and Gentiles all keeping the Sabbath together, differing as much as they would in other things, yet they seem to be all agreed in keeping the seventh day Sabbath, although it was so many years after the time, that people say the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week; but nothing of this kind appears as yet. Had these meetings been on the first day of the week, no doubt it would have been called the first day of the week, as you see it was in Acts, 20-7. “And upon the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow.” So you see the first day of the week is called the first day of the week, but the seventh day is called the Sabbath, and this one is the only time that we have any account of, in the New Testament, that the disciples met together on the first day of the week, except that evening after Christ rose from the dead. But remember Acts 17-2. “Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and, three Sabbath days, reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Here we are told plainly, what Paul’s manner or custom was, and it looks to me, just like following the directions and example of our Saviour before mentioned ; for as Christ’s custom was, so Paul’s manner was. But, lest you should still doubt whether Paul really meant to keep the seventh day, I will mention one scripture more. Acts, 18, 2-3. After Paul had preached at Athens, and come to Corinth, he found there, a man and his wife, who were tent makers, and because he was of the same craft, he above with them and wrought ; and we see by the 11th verse that he continued there a year and six months. Here we find Paul laboring with his hands, not only administering to his necessities, but likewise setting an example for believers and preachers. But take particular notice, that, during this eighteen months labor, verse 4, we are told that he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath day. Here then, it appears plainly, that Paul kept the seventh day for a Sabbath, for he continued there at labor, making tents, for the space of seventy-eight weeks together, and during the whole time he went to meeting every seventh day, and nothing is said about having any meetings, on the first day, during all this time. Now you that suppose that the circumstance of the Apostles’ meeting together twice on the first day of the week, on particular occasions, is a precedent, sufficient to establish the practice of keeping that day, I want you to remember, in future, that we have a particular account of 84 meetings at least, that the Apostles had on the seventh day of the week, so that if we may take the example of the Apostles for a rule, you must remember, that we have a majority of forty-two to one at least, in favor of the seventh day. And now, who is he, that can think that the Apostles kept the first day. But one, perhaps will say, it was not because they meant to keep the seventh day in preference to any other, that they so often met on that day, but because the Jews made a practice of meeting on that day, the Apostles availed themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel among them.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] As to the first part of this preposition, it is utterly impossible for you to make it out, that they had no preference to the seventh day Sabbath; but, as to their availing themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel, they surely did, and a most excellent opportunity it was. By this we may easily see, if we have so much as half an eye left, of what great importance and utility the Sabbath was, even under the gospel dispensation ; and it is no wonder that the Apostles so strictly observed it. Now it really appears to me to be an opportunity of too much importance to be done away ; and it looks to be not consistent with the mercy and wisdom of God, that so good an opportunity should be done away, for no doubt, the opportunity be as much blessed now, as it was then, were the people as well agreed in it now, as Jews and Gentiles were in the Apostolic age. It was an opportunity and an ordinance that was owned and blessed of God, in the conversation of thousands. He blessed and sanctified it, at the creation of the world. He promulgated it under the Mosaic dispensation, and he owned and blessed it under the Gospel dispensation. Christ kept it Holy during his life on earth, and charged his disciples to remember it, that is, he told them to pray that their flight be not on it, which flight was forty years after his death, which they could not do without remembering it.[/FONT]

The Apostles remembers his word and example and strictly observed the Sabbath, and Paul, in particular, followed the blessed example, and finally left on record, for our instruction, these memorable expressions, 1 Cor. 11.-1 “Be ye therefore followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” – And again, Philippians 3.-17. “Bretheren, be followers together of me, and mark them, which walk so as ye have us for an example.” We see by the above mentioned Scriptures, how Paul followed Christ, and what his example was. Let us, therefore, now embrace the Apostles exhortation, and follow him as he followed Christ, and like him, remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.

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No such thing as a Christian Sabbath. The Sabbath commands were ONLY for Israel.

Exodus 31:13-17 (NKJV)
13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: 'Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 14 You shall keep the Sabbath, therefore, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. 16 Therefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. 17 It is a sign between Me and the children of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.' "

There are NO SABBATH COMMANDS IN THE NEW COVENANT!

Colossians 2:16 (NKJV)
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,

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Look at Rom 7:25; "Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God..." Paul again
I am only going to respond to this quote you have provided.

I am wondering what translation your got it from? Possibly the Clear Word? I have checked at least ten versions/translations and can't find a match. The reason I checked is your quote seemed to be incorrect. Is this a very bad typo or an intentional misquote?

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[FONT=&quot]Frogster,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It appears that your questions have been answered and also it appears that you cannot support you claim. As stated in the beginning, the Sabbath is no where found in the letter to the Galatians. It does not appear in the letter or in the primer. It is just simply not there. You tried hardily to prove it, through the law, but again this was addressed as well. As written, earlier, “it is there if you put it in and if you pull it out again.” The bible, of itself, supports no claim of it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] While discussing the law a variety of scriptures were covered, none leading to the abolishment of the Sabbath and certainly none leading to the Sabbath being moved from the seventh day to the first. I think you posted in #24 “they were home churches who gathered together a lot on different days.” I take it, you mean, “they came together to worship God a lot on different days,” as if the Sabbath was now on the first or on the third etc. The error in this is, “I think”, do you not agree that we should ask, “What does scripture say?” The Almighty being the author, I am sure, does not care of our opinion, rather it is we who have to submit. As I said, “if you put it in and you pull it out again.” The bible supports no claim of this either. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The bible proves Christians (jew and gentile, alike) went into the synagogue each Sabbath on the seventh day as per the fourth commandment. It shows that for 30 years this was the case. Example after example of New Testament scripture was put forth and each time they were keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship. The Sabbath was around at the beginning, and yes, even Abraham and those before him kept it. Have you ever tested your claim? Have you ever sat and counted the Sabbaths in the New Testament church?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Someone mentioned briefly Acts 2 not to mention the spectacular sights that men must have beheld that particular day, the first day of the week, a day which fell Pentecost. I assume that from this, you, might also argue that this gives due reason for us to worship in assembly on the first day, that this was not a Sabbath. If so, you would be in great error, for it was Pentecost, a high Sabbath, and an annual Sabbath. Three thousand souls were made Christian that day and those same three thousand kept God’s Sabbath every seventh day of the week as it was commanded by the fourth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Personal example, by which we are to emulate, are given, first of Christ, then of the Apostles, keeping the fourth as it was instituted in the beginning. Keeping of the fourth as it was given to Abraham, Moses, Israel and the New Testament church.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nothing is mention in all the new testament of a weekly convocation on the first day of the week, the bible supports no such thing, and it cannot be found. It simply is the tradition of men, the commandments of men to which we are to flee.[/FONT]
What proof have you, that the Sabbath, that which was sanctified by the Almighty, was taken from us, at his hand and not by mans. You have yet to produce one piece of evidence, thus far, from the bible, to support your claim. You claim the “law” but you do not understand the “law” so howbeit you claim it? You tout the “law of Moses” and say the “law of God” is contained in it. Then you say, the “law of Moses” and the “law of God” are the same. Which is it? I ask you, Are the heavens contained in the earth or is the earth contained in the heavens? Again, how are the created exalted over the creator? Which was carried in the ark, the “law of Moses” or the “law of God”?
I would that you read my last post, even though it is rather long, I think you would find several things very interesting. I do get long winded at times but only when occasion or need arises. [FONT=&quot][/FONT]
 
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[FONT=&quot]Frogster,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It appears that your questions have been answered and also it appears that you cannot support you claim. As stated in the beginning, the Sabbath is no where found in the letter to the Galatians. It does not appear in the letter or in the primer. It is just simply not there. You tried hardily to prove it, through the law, but again this was addressed as well. As written, earlier, “it is there if you put it in and if you pull it out again.” The bible, of itself, supports no claim of it. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] While discussing the law a variety of scriptures were covered, none leading to the abolishment of the Sabbath and certainly none leading to the Sabbath being moved from the seventh day to the first. I think you posted in #24 “they were home churches who gathered together a lot on different days.” I take it, you mean, “they came together to worship God a lot on different days,” as if the Sabbath was now on the first or on the third etc. The error in this is, “I think”, do you not agree that we should ask, “What does scripture say?” The Almighty being the author, I am sure, does not care of our opinion, rather it is we who have to submit. As I said, “if you put it in and you pull it out again.” The bible supports no claim of this either. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The bible proves Christians (jew and gentile, alike) went into the synagogue each Sabbath on the seventh day as per the fourth commandment. It shows that for 30 years this was the case. Example after example of New Testament scripture was put forth and each time they were keeping the Sabbath as a day of worship. The Sabbath was around at the beginning, and yes, even Abraham and those before him kept it. Have you ever tested your claim? Have you ever sat and counted the Sabbaths in the New Testament church?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Someone mentioned briefly Acts 2 not to mention the spectacular sights that men must have beheld that particular day, the first day of the week, a day which fell Pentecost. I assume that from this, you, might also argue that this gives due reason for us to worship in assembly on the first day, that this was not a Sabbath. If so, you would be in great error, for it was Pentecost, a high Sabbath, and an annual Sabbath. Three thousand souls were made Christian that day and those same three thousand kept God’s Sabbath every seventh day of the week as it was commanded by the fourth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Personal example, by which we are to emulate, are given, first of Christ, then of the Apostles, keeping the fourth as it was instituted in the beginning. Keeping of the fourth as it was given to Abraham, Moses, Israel and the New Testament church.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Nothing is mention in all the new testament of a weekly convocation on the first day of the week, the bible supports no such thing, and it cannot be found. It simply is the tradition of men, the commandments of men to which we are to flee.[/FONT]
What proof have you, that the Sabbath, that which was sanctified by the Almighty, was taken from us, at his hand and not by mans. You have yet to produce one piece of evidence, thus far, from the bible, to support your claim. You claim the “law” but you do not understand the “law” so howbeit you claim it? You tout the “law of Moses” and say the “law of God” is contained in it. Then you say, the “law of Moses” and the “law of God” are the same. Which is it? I ask you, Are the heavens contained in the earth or is the earth contained in the heavens? Again, how are the created exalted over the creator? Which was carried in the ark, the “law of Moses” or the “law of God”?
I would that you read my last post, even though it is rather long, I think you would find several things very interesting. I do get long winded at times but only when occasion or need arises. [FONT=&quot][/FONT]

I don't mean to be rude,but I just kind of speed read overly long posts.

But the bottom line comes down to this.

Paul knew all you said,but until you can answer this....

Gal 4;10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

And the fact that circumcision meant conversion,and total law compliance,which Meant sabbath too...to which Paul said...NO!

Gal 5;2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Your arguing from abstract speculation and absence.

Disprove those scriptures.Why are they there,if they were not to prevent an action?;)
 
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I don't mean to be rude,but I just kind of speed read overly long posts.

But the bottom line comes down to this.

Paul knew all you said,but until you can answer this....

Gal 4;10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

And the fact that circumcision meant conversion,and total law compliance,which Meant sabbath too...to which Paul said...NO!

Gal 5;2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. 3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

Your arguing from abstract speculation and absence.

Disprove those scriptures.Why are they there,if they were not to prevent an action?;)

Frogster,
We have already gone over those exact scriptures. How can you disprove a scripture? It is good scripture and we can only look to other scriptures for it's meaning, not our own ideas and the like, that all must be very careful of such, as the bible interprets its own.

Abstract, speculation, absence? Talk about that. Do you see the Sabbath mention in any one of those scriptures?

Absolutely not! We have gone over law and what Paul was talking about in Acts, Galatians, Hebrews, Romans. You cannot prove either of the two are talking about the Sabbath and I also have listed a whole plethora of scripture backing the fact that the early church kept the Sabbath.

Any who, give me 5 points why Paul was chosen by God to be the apostle to the gentiles? Funner question!
 
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I am only going to respond to this quote you have provided.

I am wondering what translation your got it from? Possibly the Clear Word? I have checked at least ten versions/translations and can't find a match. The reason I checked is your quote seemed to be incorrect. Is this a very bad typo or an intentional misquote?

NIV
Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.New Living Translation (©2007)
Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
English Standard Version (©2001)
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Thank God through Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, because with my mind I myself can serve the law of God, even while with my human nature I serve the law of sin.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I thank God that our Lord Jesus Christ rescues me! So I am obedient to God's standards with my mind, but I am obedient to sin's standards with my corrupt nature.
King James Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
American King James Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
American Standard Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Bible in Basic English
I give praise to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So with my mind I am a servant to the law of God, but with my flesh to the law of sin.
Douay-Rheims Bible
The grace of God, by Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore, I myself, with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh, the law of sin.
Darby Bible Translation
I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve God's law; but with the flesh sin's law.
English Revised Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Webster's Bible Translation
I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Weymouth New Testament
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!)
World English Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.
 
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Frogster,
We have already gone over those exact scriptures. How can you disprove a scripture? It is good scripture and we can only look to other scriptures for it's meaning, not our own ideas and the like, that all must be very careful of such, as the bible interprets its own.

Abstract, speculation, absence? Talk about that. Do you see the Sabbath mention in any one of those scriptures?

Absolutely not! We have gone over law and what Paul was talking about in Acts, Galatians, Hebrews, Romans. You cannot prove either of the two are talking about the Sabbath and I also have listed a whole plethora of scripture backing the fact that the early church kept the Sabbath.

Any who, give me 5 points why Paul was chosen by God to be the apostle to the gentiles? Funner question!


No ..:wave:

Tell me why,in a clear manner,Paul did not want them to be circumcised,which would have meant obligation to the law,which had Sabbth.And why did he not want them on the Jewish calendar,which had sabbath?

Why?

10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! 11 I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.

Why?

Gal 5:3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

There is now way that the Judaizers,who did not like the gentile dogs,the uncircumcised,gentile sinners,the foreskin,the foolish,would want them on a pagan calendar.

Are you saying that proselytes,did not keep the Sabbath?;)^_^

See what I mean,they were trying to get the Galatian churches to be that,and paul was emphatically against that.


Let me ask you this.

If I came to your house,and was into security,and taught you to put alarms,and a watchdog,and to leave lights on,and to get a safe,for your belongings. What would a third party observer to the situation, presume was the issue at hand?

What obvious presumption would be made by the observer,after listening to the overt clear directions given,by the security person to lock up the place?
 
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Then you need to go back over the previous post.

You also might look into Pagan calendars, Jewish calendar and biblical calendars. They are different. You also might note that even the Pharisees kept the "traditions of men"

Go back over the posts! I have regardless how long they are. I read them all last nite.
 
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I am only going to respond to this quote you have provided.

I am wondering what translation your got it from? Possibly the Clear Word? I have checked at least ten versions/translations and can't find a match. The reason I checked is your quote seemed to be incorrect. Is this a very bad typo or an intentional misquote?

NIV
Thanks be to God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God's law, but in the sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.New Living Translation (©2007)
Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God's law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.
English Standard Version (©2001)
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, on the one hand I myself with my mind am serving the law of God, but on the other, with my flesh the law of sin.
International Standard Version (©2008)
Thank God through Jesus the Messiah, our Lord, because with my mind I myself can serve the law of God, even while with my human nature I serve the law of sin.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
I thank God that our Lord Jesus Christ rescues me! So I am obedient to God's standards with my mind, but I am obedient to sin's standards with my corrupt nature.
King James Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
American King James Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
American Standard Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Bible in Basic English
I give praise to God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So with my mind I am a servant to the law of God, but with my flesh to the law of sin.
Douay-Rheims Bible
The grace of God, by Jesus Christ our Lord. Therefore, I myself, with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh, the law of sin.
Darby Bible Translation
I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve God's law; but with the flesh sin's law.
English Revised Version
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I myself with the mind serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Webster's Bible Translation
I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
Weymouth New Testament
Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord!)
World English Bible
I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.
I am very aware of all these versions and not a single one of these match your quote that I asked about.

Nice work tho. Now would you kindly answer my question where did you get the quote you used or was it a bad typo?

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[FONT=&quot]The first day of the week was mentioned several times in the New Testament, but no where under the idea of a Sabbath, but in plain distinction from it. It is often pled that the Apostles met on the first day of the week, and therefore they think the Sabbath was changed; and no doubt that some people have heard this said so many times, that they think the New Testament is quite full of it, and that it was the constant practice of the Apostles to meet for worship on that day. But the fact is, we have no account of but two meeting on the first day of the week, and each of them was on a special occasion.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The first was on the evening following the extraordinary event of Christ’s rising from the dead, and the other was when Paul was about to depart on the morrow. These two are all the meetings that we have any account of on the first day of the week in the New Testament, and but one of them in the day time. We will now look for a few meetings on the seventh day of the week, which was called the Sabbath, and see how the disciples followed the directions and example of Christ. Immediately after Barnabas and Paul was separated to the work of traveling preachers, we have the following account of them, Acts 13-14. “They came to Antioch and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down, and after the reading of the Law and the Prophets,” Paul having liberty from the rulers of the synagogue preached Christ unto those who were present at that meeting, who were both Jews and Gentiles. So you see the Gentiles kept the Sabbath as well as the Jews, and they all met together to hear the law and the prophets, as though they were equally concerned in that matter, which no doubt they were, although many think the Gentiles had nothing to do with the Jews religion. But remember, at the close of that meeting, verse 42d the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next Sabbath. Now you see this Sabbath was the seventh day of the week, because it was the day that the unbelieving Jews met to read the law, and the Gentiles desired t hear the same words the next Sabbath. What, the Gentiles keep the Sabbath! Yes, the Gentiles desired to hear these words the next Sabbath! But did not the Gentiles say, “let us hear these words again to-morrow, on our new Sabbath.” Or why did not Paul and Barnabas say, “it is our practice to meet on the first day of the week, which is to-morrow,” come ye therefore, and hear us on our new Sabbath. But nothing of this kind is heard from any of them, and it really seems as though they had never heard of such a thing, and I really believe they never had, for we hear nothing more about meetings or reaching till the next Sabbath, and then, away came the Jews and Gentiles all together to meeting again, as we see verse 44. “And the next Sabbath came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God,” and then Paul preached again. But the Jews raised a persecution against them, and they fled to Iconium. And the next thing we hear about them is, Acts 14-1. “And they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake that a great number, both of the Jews and also of the Greeks, believed.” Here we find Jews and Gentiles all met together again, and no doubt it was on the seventh day or the Jews would not have been there, and a glorious meeting it was, for a great multitude believed. O what a blessing and privilege was the Sabbath day, even under the gospel dispensation ! But again, Paul and Barnabas in their travels came to Philippi, one of the chief cities of Macedonia, Acts 16, 12-13. “And we were in that city abiding certain days, and on the Sabbath day, we went out of the city by a river-side, where prayer was wont to be made.” There it appears they had another happy meeting. Thus we see, how particular they were to have a meeting, when the Sabbath day came, for there they abode a number of days, and nothing is said about meeting till the Sabbath day come and then they were immediately off to meeting. But still, perhaps, some may think this Sabbath was the first day of the week ; should any be in doubt on this ground, we will just turn over to the next chapter and wee what is said there, Acts 17, 1-2. “They came to Thessalonia where was a synagogue of the Jews, and Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Now by this we see what day of the week was called the Sabbath. It appears it was the same day of the week that the unbelieving Jews kept, and we are all sensible that that was the seventh. But perhaps one will say, how do you know these were unbelieving Jews ? Answer, because in the 4th and 5th verses we are told that by Paul’s preaching, at that some, some of them become believers, and the rest were moved with envy ; &c. and at that time, we must take notice, that not only some of the Jews believed, but of the Greeks a great multitude. Here we see again, Jews and Gentiles all keeping the Sabbath together, differing as much as they would in other things, yet they seem to be all agreed in keeping the seventh day Sabbath, although it was so many years after the time, that people say the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week; but nothing of this kind appears as yet. Had these meetings been on the first day of the week, no doubt it would have been called the first day of the week, as you see it was in Acts, 20-7. “And upon the first day of the week when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow.” So you see the first day of the week is called the first day of the week, but the seventh day is called the Sabbath, and this one is the only time that we have any account of, in the New Testament, that the disciples met together on the first day of the week, except that evening after Christ rose from the dead. But remember Acts 17-2. “Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them and, three Sabbath days, reasoned with them out of the scriptures.” Here we are told plainly, what Paul’s manner or custom was, and it looks to me, just like following the directions and example of our Saviour before mentioned ; for as Christ’s custom was, so Paul’s manner was. But, lest you should still doubt whether Paul really meant to keep the seventh day, I will mention one scripture more. Acts, 18, 2-3. After Paul had preached at Athens, and come to Corinth, he found there, a man and his wife, who were tent makers, and because he was of the same craft, he above with them and wrought ; and we see by the 11th verse that he continued there a year and six months. Here we find Paul laboring with his hands, not only administering to his necessities, but likewise setting an example for believers and preachers. But take particular notice, that, during this eighteen months labor, verse 4, we are told that he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath day. Here then, it appears plainly, that Paul kept the seventh day for a Sabbath, for he continued there at labor, making tents, for the space of seventy-eight weeks together, and during the whole time he went to meeting every seventh day, and nothing is said about having any meetings, on the first day, during all this time. Now you that suppose that the circumstance of the Apostles’ meeting together twice on the first day of the week, on particular occasions, is a precedent, sufficient to establish the practice of keeping that day, I want you to remember, in future, that we have a particular account of 84 meetings at least, that the Apostles had on the seventh day of the week, so that if we may take the example of the Apostles for a rule, you must remember, that we have a majority of forty-two to one at least, in favor of the seventh day. And now, who is he, that can think that the Apostles kept the first day. But one, perhaps will say, it was not because they meant to keep the seventh day in preference to any other, that they so often met on that day, but because the Jews made a practice of meeting on that day, the Apostles availed themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel among them.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]As to the first part of this preposition, it is utterly impossible for you to make it out, that they had no preference to the seventh day Sabbath; but, as to their availing themselves of that opportunity to spread the gospel, they surely did, and a most excellent opportunity it was. By this we may easily see, if we have so much as half an eye left, of what great importance and utility the Sabbath was, even under the gospel dispensation ; and it is no wonder that the Apostles so strictly observed it. Now it really appears to me to be an opportunity of too much importance to be done away ; and it looks to be not consistent with the mercy and wisdom of God, that so good an opportunity should be done away, for no doubt, the opportunity be as much blessed now, as it was then, were the people as well agreed in it now, as Jews and Gentiles were in the Apostolic age. It was an opportunity and an ordinance that was owned and blessed of God, in the conversation of thousands. He blessed and sanctified it, at the creation of the world. He promulgated it under the Mosaic dispensation, and he owned and blessed it under the Gospel dispensation. Christ kept it Holy during his life on earth, and charged his disciples to remember it, that is, he told them to pray that their flight be not on it, which flight was forty years after his death, which they could not do without remembering it.[/FONT]

The Apostles remembers his word and example and strictly observed the Sabbath, and Paul, in particular, followed the blessed example, and finally left on record, for our instruction, these memorable expressions, 1 Cor. 11.-1 “Be ye therefore followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.” – And again, Philippians 3.-17. “Bretheren, be followers together of me, and mark them, which walk so as ye have us for an example.” We see by the above mentioned Scriptures, how Paul followed Christ, and what his example was. Let us, therefore, now embrace the Apostles exhortation, and follow him as he followed Christ, and like him, remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.
Nice long post. You have been working very hard.

I have a few questions for you.

How many sources can you quote the ten commandments from and where did you first hear them quoted from? or read of them?

Is being in the synagogue proof that you observed the sabbath?

Since Jesus and others called Christians attended the synagogue and you maintain that we are to follow their example, why do you not attend the synagagoue with the Jews? If you don't you are not following their example.

Have you ever heard of a tract called 100 facts about the Sabbath? It is commonly distributed by the SDA church. The reason I ask is your very long paragraph seems very close, just a harder to read format.

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