Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

[mont974x4]

Of course not.

explain?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

no post...........

 

[mont974x4]

And the Church would just take care of itself. Good point.

That was handled in Ephesians 4 with the explanation of why He gives teachers etc.

 

[holdon]

Who is responsible for making sure the flock gets tended and fed?

You say: who is responsible, but that is not what the text says. Jesus doesn't say: Peter you're responsible to feed the entire flock.

And when he talks about the flock he calls himself "fellow-elder" in his epistle. Not: "the superior elder"....

But did Peter feed the flock in Thessalonica, Lystra, etc..???

 

[ScottBot]

That was handled in Ephesians 4 with the explanation of why He gives teachers etc.

SO, teachers just rise up from the ground and a letter of authenticity floats down from heaven to ensure that everyone knows that he/she is preaching the authentic message?

 

[SwissGuard]

I think one reason people reject the Papacy is because Western culture has all but destroyed the ancient idea & concept of "Family". Why did the Jews call the patriarchs "fathers" and why did they refer to Abraham as "Father Abraham"? Because their sense of "family" was much deeper than our shallow idea of mom, dad, and the kids (which is also disappearing). The people of God were a Family in the Semitic understanding. (BTW: This is one reason why they had no word for cousin. Everyone was a brother or a father.)

Then comes Jesus. He transforms the people of God from being tied by blood to being tied by "spirit". This is why has says that whoever leaves mother and brothers will gain many more. So the people of God still have the family structure, but we are joined by spirit and not blood.

This is why we Catholics have Father So-and-so as our local priest, the bishops are fathers, and the Pope is the Holy Father, kind of like Father Abraham. We have Mother Teresa, brothers and sisters... ...you get the point. When one looks at the People of God in this fashion, the whole thing becomes very clear. Protestants are kind of like the kid who runs away from home and yells back over his shoulder, "You're not my father anymore!" Well, he cannot change the fact thatn his father will always be his father, regardless of how much he ignores him And no one can change the fact that the Pope is the Pope - the shepherd of Christianity, regardless of how much they try.

 

[ScottBot]

You say: who is responsible, but that is not what the text says. Jesus doesn't say: Peter you're responsible to feed the entire flock.

And when he talks about the flock he calls himself "fellow-elder" in his epistle. Not: "the superior elder"....

But did Peter feed the flock in Thessalonica, Lystra, etc..???

"Feed my sheep". Pretty sure this means all of them.

 

[holdon]

And the Church would just take care of itself. Good point.

No Christ would. Eph 5

 

[SwissGuard]

And Peter was called Satan, and denied the Lord 3x, and was proven in the wrong by Paul..... ...,.

...and yet went on to write infallible scripture. So what's your point? Also, many popes have been proven to have done wrong things. So what. Paul did not prove any of Peter's TEACHINGS wrong though. That is where you err.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

SO, teachers just rise up from the ground and a letter of authenticity floats down from heaven to ensure that everyone knows that he/she is preaching the authentic message?

Yep!!!!

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

 

[mont974x4]

SO, teachers just rise up from the ground and a letter of authenticity floats down from heaven to ensure that everyone knows that he/she is preaching the authentic message?

Well, you do need an endorsement from mickie mouse and the aliens from sector G.

 

[ScottBot]

No Christ would. Eph 5

And of course Rome and its congregation is cut off from this application of Scripture, because....

 

[ScottBot]

Well, you do need an endorsement from mickie mouse and the aliens from sector G.

Can I just get a straight answer from you....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

And of course Rome and its congregation is cut off from this application of Scripture, because....

Who said they were

 

[mont974x4]

I think one reason people reject the Papacy is because Western culture has all but destroyed the ancient idea & concept of "Family". Why did the Jews call the patriarchs "fathers" and why did they refer to Abraham as "Father Abraham"? Because their sense of "family" was much deeper than our shallow idea of mom, dad, and the kids (which is also disappearing). The people of God were a Family in the Semitic understanding. (BTW: This is one reason why they had no word for cousin. Everyone was a brother or a father.)

Then comes Jesus. He transforms the people of God from being tied by blood to being tied by "spirit". This is why has says that whoever leaves mother and brothers will gain many more. So the people of God still have the family structure, but we are joined by spirit and not blood.

This is why we Catholics have Father So-and-so as our local priest, the bishops are fathers, and the Pope is the Holy Father, kind of like Father Abraham. We have Mother Teresa, brothers and sisters... ...you get the point. When one looks at the People of God in this fashion, the whole thing becomes very clear. Protestants are kind of like the kid who runs away from home and yells back over his shoulder, "You're not my father anymore!" Well, he cannot change the fact thatn his father will always be his father, regardless of how much he ignores him And no one can change the fact that the Pope is the Pope - the shepherd of Christianity, regardless of how much they try.

God is my Father and Christ is my chief shepherd.


The hierarchy of power eminating from rome is not needed and is not in the Bible.



BTW, I blame liberal ideals for the destruction of the American family.

 

[ScottBot]

Who said they were

Read through some of these threads and you'll get the gist of it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by holdon
Well, Peter of course. As I said Peter had the special mission to open the kingdom of heaven with they keys given to him. Therefore he used the keys:

1. in Acts 2 to open the kingdom for the Jews
2. in Acts 8 to open the kingdom for the Samaritans
3. in Acts 10 to open the kingdom for the Gentiles

After that there is no longer need for any keys. The kingdom of heaven has been opened to all.

1 corin 11:26 For as often ever ye may be eating the bread, this, and the drink-cup ye may be drinking, the death of the Lord ye are according-messaging/kataggellete <2605> (5719) until which ever He may be coming/elqh <2064> (5632)

Luke 3:6 And shall-be-seeing All Flesh the Salvation of the God.'

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

Doesn't the Roman church and Orthodox read Revelation?

 

[mont974x4]

Can I just get a straight answer from you....

LOL I wanted to see what it was like.

OK...gotta get the boy to school.

 

[holdon]

I think one reason people reject the Papacy is because Western culture has all but destroyed the ancient idea & concept of "Family". Why did the Jews call the patriarchs "fathers" and why did they refer to Abraham as "Father Abraham"? Because their sense of "family" was much deeper than our shallow idea of mom, dad, and the kids (which is also disappearing). The people of God were a Family in the Semitic understanding. (BTW: This is one reason why they had no word for cousin. Everyone was a brother or a father.)

Then comes Jesus. He transforms the people of God from being tied by blood to being tied by "spirit". This is why has says that whoever leaves mother and brothers will gain many more. So the people of God still have the family structure, but we are joined by spirit and not blood.

This is why we Catholics have Father So-and-so as our local priest, the bishops are fathers, and the Pope is the Holy Father, kind of like Father Abraham. We have Mother Teresa, brothers and sisters... ...you get the point. When one looks at the People of God in this fashion, the whole thing becomes very clear. Protestants are kind of like the kid who runs away from home and yells back over his shoulder, "You're not my father anymore!" Well, he cannot change the fact thatn his father will always be his father, regardless of how much he ignores him And no one can change the fact that the Pope is the Pope - the shepherd of Christianity, regardless of how much they try.

Christ told us NOT to call anyone Father. That's why the term Pope is so wrong.
Christ told us NOT to call anyone teacher. That's why the term Magisterium is so wrong.
Christ told us not to wear these ostentatious garments, have first places at our feasts and in our meetings.

It's all in Matthew 23. So, why are Roman Catholics still doing this in disobedience to the express instructions of the Lord?

 

[SwissGuard]

That was handled in Ephesians 4 with the explanation of why He gives teachers etc.

Yes, he gave teachers. HE gave teachers. But you guys make yourself your OWN teachers and reject the one's HE gave. That is the problem.