Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

[ScottBot]

Titles aren't the issue..it's the authority and unbiblical honor given to men that is supposed to be God's alone.

I agree. Although God is the only one who can establish authority. But we covered that yesterday.

 

[mont974x4]

I agree. Although God is the only one who can establish authority. But we covered that yesterday.

We did, and we found no Scriptures that limit the gifting and callings to rome alone.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ahhh well. I will give this and the "cotton patch" Bible a rest.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts/kardiaV blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him. [Zech 14:5]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

Originally Posted by ScottBot
Cotton Patch Version.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

We did, and we found no Scriptures that limit the gifting and callings to rome alone.

The whole body of Christ is called.

But who am I to argue that Jesus set up a heirarchy with Peter as the first to have the Keys because Peter is Peter (the Rock)?

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Ahhh well. I will give this and the "cotton patch" Bible a rest.

1 Thessalonians 3:13 Into the stand-fast of ye, the hearts/kardiaV blameless in together-holiness before the God and Father of us in the Parousia <3952> of the Lord of us, Jesus Christ, with all of the holy-ones of Him. [Zech 14:5]

Reve 19:11 And I perceived the heaven having be opened and Lo! A horse, white and the One sitting on it/him being called Faithful and True and in justice He is judging and is battling.

Originally Posted by ScottBot
Cotton Patch Version.

Let me borrow your picture bible if you are done.

 

[SwissGuard]

No, we reject the way rome applies authority. We recognize the gifting and calling God places, according to His will, among local churches as is shown in Scripture.

But, each one of those "teachers" received approval from the apostles. Protestant churches have no such approval because they broke away from the apostolic Church. The apostolic line was severed, and that situation is antithetical to scripture.

 

[holdon]

DO you call anyone Mister? Doctor? Professor? What do you call them people that educate our children? When you are sick, who do you go see?

Oh, funny. But what has that to do with how we are to do in the kingdom of God????

Now, why is that Roman Catholics don't submit to the Lord's teaching. It is not that difficult...

 

[SwissGuard]

We did, and we found no Scriptures that limit the gifting and callings to rome alone.

The location (Rome) is irrelevant. If the Pope moved to Cucamonga then the See of Cucamonga would be pre-eminent. It is based on apostolic authority, not geography.

 

[SwissGuard]

Oh, funny. But what has that to do with how we are to do in the kingdom of God????

Now, why is that Roman Catholics don't submit to the Lord's teaching. It is not that difficult...

We do. We just do not submit to your erroneuos, superficial interpretation of that verse.

 

[mont974x4]

But, each one of those "teachers" received approval from the apostles. Protestant churches have no such approval because they broke away from the apostolic Church. The apostolic line was severed, and that situation is antithetical to scripture.

Or so rome tells you. That isn't what we see in Scripture. What we see in Scripture is Paul and others planting churches and appointing local leaders. They did mentor these leaders but they didn;t have the power/authority that rome claims.

 

[mont974x4]

The location (Rome) is irrelevant. If the Pope moved to Cucamonga then the See of Cucamonga would be pre-eminent. It is based on apostolic authority, not geography.

True, the pope can be just as wrong wherever he happens to live.

 

[SwissGuard]

Oh, funny. But what has that to do with how we are to do in the kingdom of God????

Now, why is that Roman Catholics don't submit to the Lord's teaching. It is not that difficult...

QUOTE:

.......No one would deny a little girl the opportunity to tell someone that she loves her father. Common sense tells us that Jesus wasn&#8217;t forbidding this type of use of the word "father."

In fact, to forbid it would rob the address "Father" of its meaning when applied to God, for there would no longer be any earthly counterpart for the analogy of divine Fatherhood. The concept of God&#8217;s role as Father would be meaningless if we obliterated the concept of earthly fatherhood.

But in the Bible the concept of fatherhood is not restricted to just our earthly fathers and God. It is used to refer to people other than biological or legal fathers, and is used as a sign of respect to those with whom we have a special relationship.

For example, Joseph tells his brothers of a special fatherly relationship God had given him with the king of Egypt: "So it was not you who sent me here, but God; and he has made me a father to Pharaoh, and lord of all his house and ruler over all the land of Egypt" (Gen. 45:8).

Job indicates he played a fatherly role with the less fortunate: "I was a father to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know" (Job 29:16). And God himself declares that he will give a fatherly role to Eliakim, the steward of the house of David: "In that day I will call my servant Eliakim, the son of Hilkiah . . . and I will clothe him with [a] robe, and will bind [a] girdle on him, and will commit . . . authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah" (Is. 22:20&#8211;21).

This type of fatherhood not only applies to those who are wise counselors (like Joseph) or benefactors (like Job) or both (like Eliakim), it also applies to those who have a fatherly spiritual relationship with one. For example, Elisha cries, "My father, my father!" to Elijah as the latter is carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12). Later, Elisha himself is called a father by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).....
(END QUOTE)

source:
Call No Man "Father"?
http://www.catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

 

[JacktheCatholic]

We do. We just do not submit to your erroneuos, superficial interpretation of that verse.

Ouch! The sword of the Word hurts those that have false teachings.

*Nice job.

 

[mont974x4]

We do. We just do not submit to your erroneuos, superficial interpretation of that verse.

hey pot, kettle is on the phone.


LOL

 

[JacktheCatholic]

True, the pope can be just as wrong wherever he happens to live.

I agree.

*DISCLAIMER: Except when he speaks from the Chair of Peter on matters of Faith and Morals, then he speaks INFALLIBLY.

 

[SwissGuard]

Or so rome tells you.....

So history tells me. Did the reformers sever ties with the Church, or did they not?

 

[SwissGuard]

True, the pope can be just as wrong wherever he happens to live.

In personal matters, true. In matters of faith and doctrine: Never.

 

[mont974x4]

So history tells me. Did the reformers sever ties with the Church, or did they not?

Nope, rome severed ties with them. Luther did not intend to be kicked out.

 

[mont974x4]

In personal matters, true. In matters of faith and doctrine: Never.

LOL OK, you keep telling yourself that and ignore all the threads on CF where protestants have shown, using Scripture, multiple errors in roman doctrine.


And romans wonder why we say they value tradition above Scripture.

 

[JacktheCatholic]

Nope, rome severed ties with them. Luther did not intend to be kicked out.

Luther was given a chooice to correct his lies or excommunicate himself.

It is man that exiles himself and not the Church.

The Church always has it's arms open to welcome back it's lost sheep. Like the prodigal son the Church awaits his return.

Luther is that lost sheep and he is that prodigal son who left the Father.