Does Science Agree With the Bible?

[Sister_in_Christ]

Did I say science was infallible? Did I say I was? And isn't it better to have a system that corrects itself and admits when it's wrong and doesn't portray itself as all knowing? Hmmm, that viewpoint sounds familiar though. Wondered what group of people that reminds me of?

Here's the thing though. It is good to have a system that corrects itself. When a system is designed by people, run by people, influenced by people, and corrected by people, then it is fallible.

If a system is designed by God, it's infallible. Sure, people screw it up, but the foundation is infallible. It is all-knowing. Not the people, but the system.

 

[ScottA]

Sounds like someone's viewpoint could do with some rational thinking. Engage brain before typing. Makes sentences much clearer and more poignant. Or am I being too unfair (rhetorical)?

No, but obviously you have not even considered that you have made the jester your judge, and are happy with your bliss.

 

[Sister_in_Christ]

By that reckoning then is the bible as fallible as it is written by man? And secondly, have you looked at anything, I mean anything in the universe? You think it's infallible? Wow. Just wow.

The Bible was written by God.

The earth was created perfect, and sin led to the fall which led to an imperfect universe.

 

[Colter]

No problem.

They can't even find evidence of two million Jews living in the desert for forty years -- even with their itinerary written out in plain English (q.v. the book of Numbers).

That's because the Old Testament was exaggerated when it was all rewritten in Babylon. Better to put our faith in God alone and not the holy men.

 

[AV1611VET]

Is the reason for that possibly because it might not have happened? Hmmm?

No.

 

[AV1611VET]

Better to put our faith in God alone and not the holy men.

Nope.

We have a more sure Word of prophecy -- the Bible.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

 

[ScottA]

Saying it does not make something true. Something all religious people could think about. Evidence and observation Mr Jester.

I have my evidence. But the overlying truth cannot be found by looking internally to ones own little world. There is a bigger picture, and you not seeing it, doesn't change anything for anyone but you.

 

[Sister_in_Christ]

What? Seriously? Are you really trying to say that mans sin messed up the whole universe? Hahahaha

Also, if God is Omni everything, he created us so we would mess up, knew we would mess up, constructed and world where we had to mess up and then tells us we are doing it wrong? That is a hellish contradiction at play.

No. He created us to be perfect. We screwed it by thinking we could do it better.

 

[Sister_in_Christ]

So if he created us to be perfect and we're not the. He can't be perfect, right? Unless he created us to be imperfect. That would make more sense of the religious view of the world and God and the holy books. But sadly make God kind of nasty.

Of course he is perfect. We were created perfect. The devil deceived Eve into thinking her ways were better than God's ways. She chose to disobey. God created us with free will; which only a loving and all-knowing God would do. Forcing us to love Him wouldn't really be love. He had to create us with the choice.

So, we chose to separate ourselves from Him. Separation leads to our choice to be out from under His protection. So, He created us perfect, we chose to step out from under His protection.

 

[ScottA]

So by that rationale you seeing it doesn't change anything for anyone either. Just you right? Otherwise your argument doesn't work. If religious people were to keep their happy secret to themselves and not work it into my life or the lives or education of my children then we could live happy as pigs in mucky. You with your secret and me with my Jester. Correct?

That is right. But when ones cup is filled to overflowing, it is only logical that they would either waste it, or share it. And do not be so hypocritical as to come here to a "Christian" forum and tell people to keep it to themselves, when it was you who came to us, not the other way around.

 

[ScottA]

Would love to hear this evidence?

It would be hearsay...much like many a scientific evidences.

Nonetheless, I knocked on every interior [worldly] door and had them all slammed in my face. Then I knocked on God's [exterior] door, and...He answered...and I was taken out of the world and shown the world as it is and my place in it.

 

[Sister_in_Christ]

But according to you he knows everything so he knew we would start the way we did. Hard to blame us for something he knew we would do and if he knew then was complicit in its action. I give a child a gun, leave him instructions for use and surround him with scary things to shoot at. Am I not responsible for any deaths that occur?

And the bible tells us we must love God upon pain of eternal torture. We must have different definitions of forcing means. Really, really coercive then.

https://answersingenesis.org/sin/why-did-god-create-mankind-if-he-knew-man-would-sin/

 

[Colter]

Nope.

We have a more sure Word of prophecy -- the Bible.

2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Apart from the failed prophecies, that would be true. But we are talking about lucid people living in the real world of observable facts. Just because holy men subgigated the prophecies of the very same people tha their priestly orders mistreated doe not mean that everything they wrote was true.

 

[dad]

No, not on much. Religion is good at confessing the errors of others but not so much it's own.

The Bible wasn't written by historians or scientist, it was written by many holy men with layers of contending bias.

Nope. It was writren by the spirit of God. Prove me wrong.

 

[dad]

Apart from the failed prophecies, that would be true. But we are talking about lucid people living in the real world of observable facts. Just because holy men subgigated the prophecies of the very same people tha their priestly orders mistreated doe not mean that everything they wrote was true.

Name 2 subjigated prophesies?

 

[dad]

Wrong, the majority of christians agree with evolution and an old earth. Sorry.

How about the apostles and early church? I don't think the issue really is whether some sex offenders and name only christians disrespect Scripture and truth.

 

[dad]

The USA is the only Christian nation that I am aware of that has a sizeable minority that are young earth creationists. The scientific community in the USA probably has a Christian majority but it overwhelmingly accepts evolution.

There are no Christian nations.

 

[dad]

Actually dad, I don't even personally make such an assumption about a "big bang", but I see ample evidence that the Earth is older than 10,000 years old. I see ice core samples that go back 800,000 years, and radiometric dating evidence that it's closer to 4.6 billion years old.

What, are we supposed to guess what assumptions or beliefs you do have? You raised the big bang, and talked about evolution. Wear it.

 

[JackRT]

There are no Christian nations.

Accepted. I meant a nation whose population is Christian by a sizable majority.

 

[dad]

I never claimed otherwise actually. The Earth however is composed of atoms.

So what?! Unless the forces working on those atoms was the same in the past and future, it is acinine to even bring it up.

Why do you keep debating *if* rather than *when* with me personally? I'd understand your attitude if you were conversing with an atheist, but you keep ignoring the fact that I am a Christian, and like most Christians I simply interpret Genesis metaphorically, not *literally*, particularly and specifically as it relates to the age of the Earth. Why can't you deal with the *when* question specifically?

Give us a list of people and events that were not real in Genesis then!