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[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Actually you dont, because you dont keep his commandments.

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous

1 John 5:3

Nor do you know him,

1 john 2:
3And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

How do you know what I do or do not do.

First you do not keep His commandments.

Second, do you remember that I have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ?

So in the eyes of Jesus Christ I keep them perfectly.

You are on your own righteousness so the verse you quote applies to you.

BTW, John who wrote what you just quoted twice worshipped an angel in Revelation (Rev 19:10 and 22:8). That is a sin so according to you John is not saved and a liar.

But I will let Paul defend both John and I.

Romans 8:33-39
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[Near]

How do you know what I do or do not do.

First you do not keep His commandments.

Second, do you remember that I have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ?

So in the eyes of Jesus Christ I keep them perfectly.

You are on your own righteousness so the verse you quote applies to you.

BTW, John who wrote what you just quoted twice worshipped an angel in Revelation (Rev 19:10 and 22:8). That is a sin so according to you John is not saved and a liar.

But I will let Paul defend both John and I.

Romans 8:33-39
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So, do you keep his commandments?
i adressed the passage you used already.
i dont believe in imputed righteousness, as in transfer from Jesus to man, i believe in flving faith counted as righteousness
John would have went to hell if he willingly did what he knew was sinful, we can say John simply didnt know, or would you believe he willfully knew what he was doing was wrong, but did it anyways?

Paul doesnt defend the sinners of 1 Cor 6:9-10 who stay in their sins.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

So, do you keep his commandments?

I have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. That means I have perfect righteousness.

My flesh it sins.
Just like you and just like John did in Rev 19 and 22.

But I am counted righteous according to the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

you are on your own because you try to establish your own.

 

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I have the imputed righteousness of Jesus Christ. That means I have perfect righteousness.

My flesh it sins.
Just like you and just like John did in Rev 19 and 22.

But I am counted righteous according to the righteousness of Jesus Christ.

you are on your own because you try to establish your own.

What is the doctrine of the Nicolations?

also i edited my comment.

Do you sin or keep his commandments?

but first what is the doctrine of the nicolations?

who are the manicheans?

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

What is the doctrine of the Nicolations?

also i edited my comment.

Do you sin or keep his commandments?

but first what is the doctrine of the nicolations?

who are the manicheans?

The doctrine of the nicolations is to separate the congregation into religious. leadership and the laity, where the leadership is not to be questioned

My turn now.

Was John an unsaved liar because he worshipped an angel twice in Revelation?

Do you sin or keep his commandments?

 

[Near]

The doctrine of the nicolations is to separate the congregation into religious. leadership and the laity, where the leadership is not to be questioned

My turn now.

Was John an unsaved liar because he worshipped an angel twice in Revelation?

Do you sin or keep his commandments?

Yes, John was unsaved and a liar if he sinned. He was in danger of hell, good thing the angel told him to stop.

No, I dont sin anymore because I choose not to. However, that doesnt mean it's impossible to sin, just that sin is a danger and if unforgiven, because of continued rebellion, hell-fire awaits. I had sin in the past, but that has been confessed and repented of. However, you say you have no sin essentially, and have the righteousness of Christ while you actually sin, and in Daniel Steele's commentary, that actually means to bear the guilt of sin, where as you say you can never bear the guilt of it, it's not against you, and you have nothing to be forgiven of.

1 John 1:8 refutes manicheanism.

also, where did you get your info about the nicolaitons?

 

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Pursue peace with all people, and holiness, without which no one will see the Lord: looking carefully lest anyone fall short of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up cause trouble, and by this many become defiled; lest there be any fornicator or profane person like Esau, who for one morsel of food sold his birthright. For you know that afterward, when he wanted to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought it diligently with tears. (Hebrews 12:14-17 NKJV)

He doesnt tell us, trust in the righteousness that is transferred to you from Jesus' account. He says pursue holiness, something we do, by our living faith.
Repent of your sins.
It's not your flesh sinning, it's you. The doctrine that it's your flesh doing the sins, not you, is of manicheanism, a form of Gnosticism that the apostles went against.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Yes, John was unsaved and a liar if he sinned. He was in danger of hell, good thing the angel told him to stop.

No, I dont sin anymore because I choose not to. However, that doesnt mean it's impossible to sin, just that sin is a danger and if unforgiven, because of continued rebellion, hell-fire awaits. I had sin in the past, but that has been confessed and repented of. However, you say you have no sin essentially, and have the righteousness of Christ while you actually sin, and in Daniel Steele's commentary, that actually means to bear the guilt of sin, where as you say you can never bear the guilt of it, it's not against you, and you have nothing to be forgiven of.

1 John 1:8 refutes manicheanism.

also, where did you get your info about the nicolaitons?

You sin quite a bit.
Since you say you do not that is a sin also.
You quote new bible versions with errors. When you do that, it is not the truth.
Daniel Steele is not from the Holy Bible. Quote Paul.
You do not rightly divide the word of God as commanded by God through Paul, that is a sin.
You said that the blood of Jesus Christ by itself is not enough to save someone. That is a very grievous sin.
The pride you show in how you do not sin is a very grievous sin.
To late for John he had already fell at the feet of the angel to worship.
Saying that John would have lost his salvation is not the truth.
Saying that there is righteousness apart from the imputed righteousness of God is not the truth.


What do you think is the deeds or doctrine of the Nicolaitans?

BTW you might have gotten your idea on this from the Nicolaitans.

 

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Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. (Galatians 6:7, 8 NKJV)

Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. (I Peter 1:13-21 NKJV)

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. (Romans 2:5-11 NKJV)

Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences. (II Corinthians 5:9-11 NKJV)

For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. (Matthew 16:27 NKJV)

Dont be a like the Pharisees saying, "Abraham is our father", they too thought they had the promise by mere inheritance, where as you say, "I have the righteousness of Christ", you will be judged by YOUR works, not Christ's works but your own.


Refuted the lie that you are judged by Christ's righteousness instead of your own deeds.

 

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You sin quite a bit.
Since you say you do not that is a sin also.
You quote new bible versions with errors. When you do that, it is not the truth.
Daniel Steele is not from the Holy Bible. Quote Paul.
You do not rightly divide the word of God as commanded by God through Paul, that is a sin.
You said that the blood of Jesus Christ by itself is not enough to save someone. That is a very grievous sin.
The pride you show in how you do not sin is a very grievous sin.
To late for John he had already fell at the feet of the angel to worship.
Saying that John would have lost his salvation is not the truth.
Saying that there is righteousness apart from the imputed righteousness of God is not the truth.


What do you think is the deeds or doctrine of the Nicolaitans?

BTW you might have gotten your idea on this from the Nicolaitans.

As said, commit sin =\= have sin.
Have sin means guilt, which you say you have none becuase you claim perfection becuase you have Christ's righteousnes, sinlessness.

I don't commit sin, as in i dont practice sin, and I don't have to sin, and I have made it my goal to remain pure. That doesnt mean i cannot possibly sin.

Repent.

 

[Near]

Nicolaism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also, they were supporters of "you can sin and be saved in sin" theology

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. (Galatians 6:7, 8 NKJV)

Therefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and rest your hope fully upon the grace that is to be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ; as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance; but as He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, because it is written, “Be holy, for I am holy.” And if you call on the Father, who without partiality judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves throughout the time of your stay here in fear; knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, like silver or gold, from your aimless conduct received by tradition from your fathers, but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot. He indeed was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you who through Him believe in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. (I Peter 1:13-21 NKJV)

But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For there is no partiality with God. (Romans 2:5-11 NKJV)

Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences. (II Corinthians 5:9-11 NKJV)

For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. (Matthew 16:27 NKJV)

Dont be a like the Pharisees saying, "Abraham is our father", they too thought they had the promise by mere inheritance, where as you say, "I have the righteousness of Christ", you will be judged by YOUR works, not Christ's works but your own.


Refuted the lie that you are judged by Christ's righteousness instead of your own deeds.

You refuted nothing but your own theory.

Galatians 6:7-8 is about those trying to make a good show in the flesh, that is by the law.

I Peter 1:13-21 Is not about damnation at all. You should have put these words in red:
"knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things"
"but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"

Romans 2:5-11 mean that God damns those who trust in works or merit for salvation but saves those that do the only work allowed for salvation: faith in Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:9-11 is just about those that have not believed the gospel of salvation.

Matthew 16:27 has to do with the end of the tribulation. I will already have a glorified body and will forever be with the Lord.

God will judge you by yours works, but then you will not be in heaven.

I already am saved.

Romans 8:33-39
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Revelation 12:9-11
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

 

[Near]

Can you be carnal and spiritual at the same time?

 

[Near]

You refuted nothing but your own theory.

Galatians 6:7-8 is about those trying to make a good show in the flesh, that is by the law.

We should look at this verse by verse.

Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. (Galatians 6:7, 8 NKJV)

Sowing to your flesh, is not keeping the law, it's sinning, following the lusts of the flesh.
Sowing to the spirit is following Christ, keeping his commandments.

It says nothing about trying to make a good show by the law.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Can you be carnal and spiritual at the same time?

I noticed you did not respond to my response.

Also, remember it was my turn to ask questions.

What do you think is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans?

I answered. Now your turn.

 

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I noticed you did not respond to my response.

Also, remember it was my turn to ask questions.

What do you think is the doctrine of the Nicolaitans?

I answered. Now your turn.

I linked Wikipedia, didnt notice your defintion if it there, never found it. Got a link?

It ties in with antinomianism, also known as lawlessness. I'm against lawlessness. I follow God and keep his commandments.

But enough of that, you misunderstood what it means to sow to the flesh, that means going after the lusts of the flesh, sowing to the spirit doesnt mean sinning while trusting in Christ's righteousness as your own, it means obeying God by following the Spirit of God.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

You got your definition from the Nicolaitans

 

[Near]

You got your definition from the Nicolaitans

Instead of avoiding the questions and making red herrings, just be straight forward and honest with your answers.

Can an adulterer be saved by grace through a dead faith, while remaining an adulterer?

Pual says no.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, (I Corinthians 6:9 NKJV)

The deception is that you think your righteous by Christ righteousness, (transfer invented by a guy named Anselm,

The Penal-Substitution Theory: This view was formulated by the 16th century Reformers as an extension of Anselm's Satisfaction theory. Anselm's theory was correct in introducing the satisfaction aspect of Christ's work and its necessity, however the Reformers saw it as insufficient because it was referenced to God's honor rather than his justice and holiness and was couched more in terms of a commercial transaction than a penal substitution. This Reformed view says simply that Christ died for man, in man's place, taking his sins and bearing them for him. The bearing of man's sins takes the punishment for them and sets the believer free from the penal demands of the law: The righteousness of the law and the holiness of God are satisfied by this substitution. See main page on Penal substitution theory

The bible doesnt teach penal substitution, it teaches RANSOM.
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” (Mark 10:45 NKJV)

To adress Romans 8, that's for spiritual people, not carnal people.
A carnal person cant be a spiritual person at the same time.

 

[SavedByGraceThruFaith]

Instead of avoiding the questions and making red herrings, just be straight forward and honest with your answers.

Can an adulterer be saved by grace through a dead faith, while remaining an adulterer?

Pual says no.
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, (I Corinthians 6:9 NKJV)

The deception is that you think your righteous by Christ righteousness, (transfer invented by a guy named Anselm,



The bible doesnt teach penal substitution, it teaches RANSOM.
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” (Mark 10:45 NKJV)

To adress Romans 8, that's for spiritual people, not carnal people.
A carnal person cant be a spiritual person at the same time.

You have never addressed the verses I have given. They refute your man made theory.

So stop avoiding the facts.

You have denied that the blood of Jesus Christ saves. That is a very grievous sin. You do not have the Spirit of God.

All your posts have been refuted.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

1 Corinthians 15:3
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

Romans 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

Colossians 1:12-14
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Ephesians 1:7
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Romans 8:33-39
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[ananda]

Was Apostle Peter deceived about Paul??

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation

—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked;

18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

Do you see that Peter acknowledged Paul's writings as scriptural? (The wisdom given to him) and 'AS ALSO', Peter saying Paul and Peter are in agreement here.

Peter warns to watch out lest you fall from your steadfastness having twisted the scriptures because you don't understand and therefore do not believe the truth.

Correction:

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the lawless;