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"Does righteousness" means to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Romans 4:6-11, 13
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
Romans 4:20-25
20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
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Interesting question.
Paul taught that God declares the believer righteous in Rom2-4. God credited righteousness to Abraham when he believed God's promise. Gen 15:6.
I don't believe the act of believing is righteous. Righteousness is something that God declares of those who believe. And it is an imputed righteousness, nothing that we do.
Further, any and all good deeds done by believers but only in the power of the Holy Spririt are righteous. Those moral and good deeds in the power of the flesh are not.
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Skala
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Righteousness has everything to do with salvation!
Php 3:8-9 ..in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith--
So righteousness is directly related to salvation, however, it is the righteousness of Christ that is meritorious, not our own. For our own is "filthy rags" in His sight.
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God never declares the "believer" righteous in Rom. 2:4. The word "believer" is not in any of the ancient texts. He declares the "Faither" righteous.
The word that is in the ancient text 248 times is faithing. And it is something we must do.
The word "believer" was translated from the Greek word pisteuo, which is the verb form of Faith. The translators used the word believer because the English has no word for the verb form of Faith. As the result of using the word "believe" most of the christian world thinks all we have to do is "believe". That understanding is called a stumbling block.
Pisteuo is an "action", based upon a "belief", sustained by confidence. It's something we do!
Now that we have the ground work laid correctly, and have a true understanding of "pisteuo", lets address your question.
Everyone agrees that a righteousness of our own is as filthy rags, it's worthless. We need the righteousness that comes from God, His nature flowing through us. Well how do we come to that state of being as we are on the journey of Salvation?
It starts with Jesus Christ paying for our sins, knocking down the barrier between us and God.
Next, the Father must draw and call out from the world the ones He chose before the foundation of the world were made. If we heed the call or the drawing, we will turn to God in a repentant act. That act is simply turning from our way to His way.
As God continues to draw we come to our first act of Faithing,(pisteuo).
This first act is not just to "believe" in Christ. The first act is to surrender our life to Christ. Now knowing us, were capable of making that surrender of our life to God, and a hour later go back to serving ourselves as if that life is still our own. So God will test that offering of our life to see if it's genuine. Not about perfection or works here, it's all about whether we are acting like (decisions, choices) the life we offered is really Gods. This is what we are called and drawn to, an alter of sacrifice.
Now if God deems our sacrifice as genuine, we will enter into a state of being that the Word calls the parable of the sower. In this state of being God gives us the gift of "hearing", and the "seed". We are the soil, Gods word is the seed, and with that gift of hearing we start a grafting on process. I call this another testing or proving ground, where in Gods word he tells us 3 out of the 4 soils wil fail.
But for that one good soil. As he is being grafted onto Christ he is producing something. He's producing saving Faith. That saving Faith is the same act that we did at the alter, but much deeper. Whats being produced is willing choice to continue to submitt our lives to God, Thats pisteuo! As we are submitting our lives to Him we are slowly coming to the point where God seals His Holy Spirit into us. At this point we are are truely His, a temple of the Holy Spirit, with His nature flowing out of us.
The righteousness that comes from Grace through "Faith" is at this point connected to the Salvation journey.
Just "believing" in Christ or what He did for us will never produce Gods nature to flow through us. Only submitting our life and will to Him, starts the process, maintains the process, and finishes the process. Thats what NT. Faith is, a continual submitting of our life to God so that he can posess the vessel and His nature and promises come flowing out.
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Skala
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Sure.
We are saved by works. But it is not our works we are saved by, but Christ's works.
Christ is "the second Adam". He succeeded where Adam failed. Adam sinned, thus failing to keep God's law. Christ is the second Adam. He kept God's law perfectly. (he was sinless)
Everyone born into Adam's race is represented by Adam, and thus shares in Adam's failure.
Everyone born into Christ's race (ie, being born again, adopted into God's kingdom) is represented by Christ, and thus shares in Christ's success.
Christ kept God's law perfectly, and thus accomplished what God requires. When we put faith in Christ, we are connected to Christ, and His righteousness and is imputed to us, credited to us, so that when God looks at us, he doesn't see our failure in Adam any more, but rather he sees Christ's success.
Christ lived a sinless life. Everything he did while alive was part of the work of salvation. For example, when he was getting baptised, John the baptist said "shouldn't you be baptising me? You don't need to be baptised". Jesus responded "It is necessary to fulfil all righteousness". So even Jesus being baptised was part of His work of redemption and accomplishing for us everything that we need to be saved. Christ supplies everything necessary that a sinner needs in order to be saved. he was even baptized for us!
So we are saved by works, they just aren't our works (our works are failures, like Adam's), but rather we are saved by Christ's works. He did what Adam failed to do. He is the new Adam. The second Adam. The better Adam.
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Yes, righteousness is His rightness. And He was the first goer, the first one to complete the Salvation journey. We follow Him!
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Indeed. There is no salvation without righteousness. The real question is, from where does our righteousness come? I believe it is reckoned to us (imputed to us) accounted to us, from God. He takes the unmeritorious faith of believers and turns it into righteousness, on the basis of the sacrifice of Christ. We who are in Christ have not presented our own righteousness, but rather have had our faith turned into righteousness so to speak. Thus we are saved by grace though faith. God has reckoned the faith of the ungodly.
Gen. 15:6 Then he believed in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness.
Rom. 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who aworks, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but abelieves in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works:
Rom. 4:9 Is this blessing then upon the circumcised, or upon the uncircumcised also? For bwe say, “FAITH WAS RECKONED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it reckoned? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, ba seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, that he might be the father of dall who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be reckoned to them,
Rom. 4:22 Therefore also IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written, that it was reckoned to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be reckoned, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
Rom. 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? “AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 4 Now to the one who aworks, his wage is not reckoned as a favor, but as what is due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but abelieves in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works:
Rom. 4:9 Is this blessing then upon the circumcised, or upon the uncircumcised also? For bwe say, “FAITH WAS RECKONED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS.” 10 How then was it reckoned? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, ba seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, that he might be the father of dall who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be reckoned to them,
Rom. 4:22 Therefore also IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS. 23 Now not for his sake only was it written, that it was reckoned to him, 24 but for our sake also, to whom it will be reckoned, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,
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No, were not saved by works, even Christs works flowing through us don't save us.
We are His and being saved when we are "IN" Him, and He is "IN" us. The only way this can happen is by Faithing, sacrificing our life and will to God continuously, a deeper and deeper committment to Him. (pisteuo)
God will "not" surrender your life to Him for you. You have to do it "yourself" by a continual act of your will.
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If you and others would submitt to the right definition of Pisteuo, we could move on to the next truth, which would explain why it looks like a contradiction.
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I've watched this, and all the drama surrounding it. You've come up with a definition for faith that you now think must be forced on everyone else here in order to have a conversation. Your own little corner on truth, as it were. Sorry, not gonna buy it.
"Submit" to your definition? Sorry, no can do. I don't submit to any man on the matters of the Salvation of my soul. I submit to God, and Him only.
In English, the verb that corresponds to the noun "faith", is "to believe". It can have varying depths of meaning, but then again so can many other English words, and in such cases context always determines meaning. Always.
You can go on "faithing" if you want, and I'll go on "believing", and we'll both arrive at the same place, if our faith is genuine. And the One who determines that is God, not you or me. Salvation is not about what we do for God, but about what He has done for us.
Jesus said "My yoke is easy, and My burden light. Follow Me and ye shall find rest for your souls."
Imposing all sorts of burdens, extra requirements, and invoking fear are not Scriptural. Such are the marks of false religion.
Just sayin'....
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The definitions i'm giving you are straight out of the strongs and the Vines.
You and others deny those definitions, so it's on you.
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His yoke is easy, but it's still a yoke.
This forum is full of yokless, burdenless, understandings.
Are you responsable for these perversions?
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