Does morality exist without God?

[razeontherock]

Look at the relationship between Jacob and his brothers, and later Israel and Egypt.

Loud and clear.

 

[Non sequitur]

Look at the relationship between Jacob and his brothers, and later Israel and Egypt.

Loud and clear.

You didn't quote anyone, so I don't know who you are directing that to.

I'm still looking for posts or examples...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Obviously you do not know what it means to "accept Jesus as your Savior." (Not that I can fault you for that)

Me accepting Jesus as my savior does not mean me condoning genocide, torture, and fraud, just because such acts were done in Jesus' name or these individuals later also accepted Jesus as their savior. Why should I give up my autonomy for someone else's thought processes? Ever?

 

[razeontherock]

You didn't quote anyone, so I don't know who you are directing that to.

Gee, the contents of post #161 might be in response to ... (wait for it) ... post #160?! Whatsamatter, math not your strong suit? Or you were expecting a non sequitur?

 

[razeontherock]

Me accepting Jesus as my savior does not mean me condoning genocide, torture, and fraud, just because such acts were done in Jesus' name or these individuals later also accepted Jesus as their savior. Why should I give up my autonomy for someone else's thought processes? Ever?

Your red herring comment was provided by Mr Obvious?

 

[Non sequitur]

Gee, the contents of post #161 might be in response to ... (wait for it) ... post #160?! Whatsamatter, math not your strong suit? Or you were expecting a non sequitur?

Your inability to quote someone who you are responding to is not my responsibility.

That's not "math", by the way...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Your red herring comment was provided by Mr Obvious?

Not really a red herring. Why should I accept Jesus as my savior just to be in such esteemed company as the likes of what I just listed? Especially when the consensus seemed to be that Hell wasn't actually all that bad.

 

[razeontherock]

You get your concepts of heaven, hell, and context of normal conversation from who?

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

why must we renew our minds?


hm hm

 

[suzybeezy]

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[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

how dare people support sexual immorality

shame

i see the topics ...

 

[Non sequitur]

how dare people support sexual immorality

shame

i see the topics ...

I'm going to regret this...

What falls under "sexual immortality"?

 

[Eudaimonist]

how dare people support sexual immorality

We don't. We are just as much against sexual immorality as you are. We simply differ as to the specifics of what is moral or immoral with regards to sex.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[razeontherock]

What falls under "sexual immortality"?

You wish!

 

[Eudaimonist]

What falls under "sexual immortality"?

An eternal [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with Aphrodite?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Non sequitur]

You wish!

Your's might be different than mine.

So, that's why I asked.

 

[Belk]

You wish!

His wishes fall under sexual immorality? That does not seem correct.

 

[AGODBELIEVERlove1stfaith2]

what was the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

evil n good existed before adam n eve


hm hm

Of course morality exists with or without god. Morality is a man made concept, and while a persons faith can inspire a person's morality, a person's general upbringing (including faith) is the main influence.

a person with good relationships and positive people around them is more likely to have a greater respect for life. having respect for life means a person is more inclined to feel empathy and compassion, regardless of faith or lack-there-of.

There is no doubt that there are some troubled people who do terrible things, and these people live in all aspects of faith or non-faith.

i've lived my entire life as a skeptic, agnostic and athiest. i pride myself on living a good life and abiding not only by state laws, but by my own set of morals that i've developed on my own.

 

[Non sequitur]

what was the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

evil n good existed before adam n eve


hm hm

I wish I understood what you were saying...

 

[Wayte]

how dare people support sexual immorality

shame

i see the topics ...

I would argue how dare you deny people they're sexual freedom.