Does morality exist without God?

[razeontherock]

Why do you reference the Bible as common ground

I did not

 

[Aryn9189]

Honestly, I think if more Christians actually followed Jesus' teachings, the world would be a lot more peaceful.

Easier said than done!

Sure, but I don't think most people even want to try. Most Christians I've known are too attached to their prejudices to care what Jesus actually said. (I hope I'm not getting too off topic?)

 

[razeontherock]

too attached to their prejudices to care what Jesus actually said. (I hope I'm not getting too off topic?)

I think this is perfectly on topic!

 

[Non sequitur]

Easier said than done!

Ah, the irony...

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I did not

This is what you said:

"Quoting it in this instance was not so much to inform another's decision, but merely to ask if he was aware what it said on the topic. Turns out, he is. Establishing that makes it possible for conversation to proceed."

If you did not mean this in the context of using the Bible as a common starting ground off which the argument as you wished it to proceed could commence, then what did you mean by the above statement? Would you have abandoned your discussion with him if it turned out he was not aware of what the Bible said in regard to this topic?

 

[razeontherock]

Too many assumptions. Why can't a question just be a question?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Too many assumptions. Why can't a question just be a question?

I'm just trying to clarify what you mean, and apply logic to infer from what you say what your position may be. I am not trying to be mean, or vindictive, or spiteful. All I am doing is trying to determine your position with greater specificity, because accuracy and specificity are important. If you cannot abide by even this level of scrutiny, what is the point of posting here?

 

[razeontherock]

any chance you could clarify your question so we don't need to assume?

You never need to assume! My question was if a certain poster knew what the Bible had to say on a certain topic. He said he did.

The end. (Of that particular rabbit trail. Now if the guessing games stopped, we might be able to develop both the central idea of the thread, as well as how this is related)

 

[Non sequitur]

oops. forgive my lack of detail... i meant on this...

"how dare people support sexual immorality

shame

i see the topics ... "

i was wondering on what in-particular you find immoral?

I asked that a while ago, but did not get a concrete response.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

You never need to assume! My question was if a certain poster knew what the Bible had to say on a certain topic. He said he did.

The end. (Of that particular rabbit trail. Now if the guessing games stopped, we might be able to develop both the central idea of the thread, as well as how this is related)

But going back to my question: what does the Bible have to do with the topic at hand?

 

[razeontherock]

oops. forgive my lack of detail... i meant on this...

"how dare people support sexual immorality

shame

i see the topics ... "

i was wondering on what in-particular you find immoral?

Ok. I did not post what you quoted here. What I did post was a joke, referencing the fact that the post actually read
"sexual immortality"

 

[razeontherock]

But going back to my question: what does the Bible have to do with the topic at hand?

Does morality exist without G-d? That's the thread title. You really think that can be discussed and the Bible never comes up?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Does morality exist without G-d? That's the thread title. You really think that can be discussed and the Bible never comes up?

Let's go back to something you said: "2) The bible is not held as a "source of evidence.""

Now, please answer the question. Given that the Bible is not held as a source of evidence, what is the point of bringing it up in any discussion, let alone this one?

 

[quatona]

Does morality exist without G-d? That's the thread title. You really think that can be discussed and the Bible never comes up?

Yes, easily. Why and in which function would anyone bring up the bible in a no-god-scenario?

 

[razeontherock]

Let's go back to something you said: "2) The bible is not held as a "source of evidence.""

Now, please answer the question. Given that the Bible is not held as a source of evidence, what is the point of bringing it up in any discussion, let alone this one?

If the only thing you ever consider is what you can defend as evidence, your world must be incredibly dull. Frankly, I think everyone has more imagination that that!

 

[razeontherock]

Yes, easily. Why and in which function would anyone bring up the bible in a no-god-scenario?

Pretty simple really. If (the hypothetical) you claims to have morality and you further claim it is not based on G-d, you must be able to demonstrate that it is indeed distinct from Biblical concepts that predate your own decisions.

 

[quatona]

Pretty simple really. If (the hypothetical) you claims to have morality and you further claim it is not based on G-d, you must be able to demonstrate that it is indeed distinct from Biblical concepts that predate your own decisions.

Doesn´t follow.

 

[underpressure]

Pretty simple really. If (the hypothetical) you claims to have morality and you further claim it is not based on G-d, you must be able to demonstrate that it is indeed distinct from Biblical concepts that predate your own decisions.

Would have thought it was pretty obvious that just about no one bases their moral guidelines on what the bible says, I mean have you read some of the stuff in there? It's quite clear we ignore the things we don't like and the things that we think are outdated. So if we, Christians, and I dare say even you, already go through a thought process of picking and choosing which morals to follow, then the question should be asked, did you really need the bible in the first place to come up with your moral guidelines?

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

If the only thing you ever consider is what you can defend as evidence, your world must be incredibly dull. Frankly, I think everyone has more imagination that that!

Very nice ad hominem. Now, if you don't mind, could you please answer the question.

 

[razeontherock]

Would have thought it was pretty obvious that just about no one bases their moral guidelines on what the bible says, I mean have you read some of the stuff in there? It's quite clear we ignore the things we don't like and the things that we think are outdated. So if we, Christians, and I dare say even you, already go through a thought process of picking and choosing which morals to follow, then the question should be asked, did you really need the bible in the first place to come up with your moral guidelines?

Well this loaded statement here sure lives up to your username!!!

We could spend a while unpacking this; probably several threads. I could point you to a few to give you a head start ...